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post #7936 of 24295
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Originally Posted by Rem1x View Post

What are you talking about, I didn't mean to make you angry.

If I were against the HD 800's, I wouldn't still have a pair.

I am just OCD about things I like and use, especially when they are a little pricey.

Trust me, if I didn't like them, I would sell them. 

Also I didn't "drag my cable plugs across the metal like a dolt".. the cable end barely touched the outer flimsy mesh and created a small scratch.

Try not to pretend things are made perfectly, I love the HD 800's the same or more than you do, but I am not on a high horse pretending everything is perfect.

Besides, the design "flaw" is still subjective, your comment could have been your opinion without the negativity..

Thanks.

 
I'm not angry, just looking at the evidence (or the lack thereof) and trying to justify your tirade, but coming up empty. I'm not saying the HD800 is perfect, but as far as a modern manufactured product, it's about as good as is possible. I think you are being unrealistic in your expectations.
post #7937 of 24295
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post


I'm not angry, just looking at the evidence (or the lack thereof) and trying to justify your tirade, but coming up empty. I'm not saying the HD800 is perfect, but as far as a modern manufactured product, it's about as good as is possible. I think you are being unrealistic in your expectations.

 

Alright, well pointing out a few flaws and pretending they aren't there are two different things.

 

A tirade is not me saying something that you don't agree with.

 

Try to be a little more reasonable and have a discussion instead of getting upset over me pointing something out.

 

post #7938 of 24295

Figured I'd see what all the fuss was about. 

 

I don't find anything too crazy with your original post.  I don't think I've ever come close to touching the mesh grey area.  I don't know how strong that mesh is so I made a mental note to stay away.

 

I actually don't inspect my HD-800.  It's on a stand.  I pick it up and put it on my ears.  If it picks up anything like a fingerprint I'll clean it off at some point....maybe.  Fingerprints are good for ownership determination.

 

I agree, the HD800 is not too bright with my gear, but I can see how with a different rig it could become brighter in presentation.

 

The only thing I would disagree with is the 1000 years.  I'd say within 10 years there will be something as the new flagship.  15 years if you made me put money down.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Rem1x View Post
 

I recently posted about that. 

I think it is way too fragile. 

 

Barely touching that grey mesh causes noticeable fingerprints, and about a week or two ago I barely touched it with the cable end and it caused a scratch.

 

It is literally the only bad thing I would point out on the 800's. 

Some say the 800's are bright, but I disagree - especially with the right gear.

 

I think the HD 900's would have to come out in about a thousand years when technology is advanced enough!

Maybe their next flagship would be another electro stat.
 

post #7939 of 24295

Haha yea maybe a thousand years is a bit of an exaggeration.

 

But yea, like I said I just think the little outer mesh is the only thing fragile about it.

 

My paint has held up very well and the high quality, light weight plastic and Japanese leather make it so comfortable.

 

I was just being honest with my experiences and sometimes that won't agree with some people, but it's just my opinion and experiences.  :tongue_smile:

 

That doesn't make someone a "dolt".  Show a little more respect. 

 

Good post WNBC and yea I think around 10 would be a good guess.

 

I couldn't imagine much more of an improvement though, I am really in love with their current flagship.

 

I remember Tyll talking about how long and how much went into building the 800's, something truly magical.

 

post #7940 of 24295

10? 10????

 

From what I heard from various sources it's far below 2. ;)

post #7941 of 24295
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Originally Posted by Fegefeuer View Post
 

10? 10????

 

From what I heard from various sources it's far below 2. ;)

 

Really?  That's actually crazy to hear.

 

If it is below 10 years then they have been working on them no doubt for years now.

 

You better not be pulling our leg!

 

post #7942 of 24295
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Originally Posted by Fegefeuer View Post
 

10? 10????

 

From what I heard from various sources it's far below 2. ;)

 

Are you talking about the ultra high-end (price-wise) electrostatic Sennheiser that is supposed to be announced later this year?

post #7943 of 24295

Of course they started years ago, every serious business does R&D very very early if it wants to stay at the top. They are constantly researching and testing. Sennheiser is the most ambitious developer of all. 

 

Don't expect a HD 800 price though. 

post #7944 of 24295

Obviously they would have started years ago if they are coming out with something flagship status in the next year or two..
 

That is kind of assumed..

 

I just didn't know they were already close enough for a release that soon!

 

Although, don't they traditionally come out with a new flagship around every 5 years?

 

Pretty exciting stuff.

 

post #7945 of 24295

A new flagship every 5 years ?

A new flagship should deliver a significant improvement over the previous one, right ? Why would anyone bother with it when there was no obvious improvement ? Once you have reached a certain level of performance, it does get pretty difficult to improve on it, rather than make it just sound "different". Marginal improvements might be possible but at what price? The laws of diminishing returns are kicking in pretty hard.

post #7946 of 24295
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Originally Posted by icebear View Post
 

A new flagship every 5 years ?

A new flagship should deliver a significant improvement over the previous one, right ? Why would anyone bother with it when there was no obvious improvement ? Once you have reached a certain level of performance, it does get pretty difficult to improve on it, rather than make it just sound "different". Marginal improvements might be possible but at what price? The laws of diminishing returns are kicking in pretty hard.

 

Well, look at the Audeze or Hifiman... They release their flagship model almost every year and even though they still havent beaten HD800 (trying to do so for years), people praise them for bringing HUGE IMPROVEMENTS each time.

 

In other words, LCD-2 were supposed to be better than HD800... Then LCD-3, now LCD-X... The same goes for Hifiman... And yet all their headphones are still on the level of the HD800, at best. Do you see the trend of diminishing returns more clearly now? I do, as well as Tyll from Innerfidelity :-)


Edited by HeadNroll - 2/6/14 at 1:23pm
post #7947 of 24295

I am a fan of the LCD-2.  Did Audeze make the claim they were better than the HD800 or was the claim of others?  I am curious to know as I can't imagine any company saying their headphone is "better".  I can envision them saying better in regards to one specific characteristic but not overall better.  Maybe not even better at one characteristic.  It's all about different flavors of headphones at this point.    

 

 

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Originally Posted by HeadNroll View Post
 

In other words, LCD-2 were supposed to be better than HD800... Then LCD-3, now LCD-X... The same goes for Hifiman... And yet all their headphones are still on the level of the HD800, at best. Do you see the trend of diminishing returns more clearly now? I do, as well as Tyll from Innerfidelity :-)

post #7948 of 24295
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Originally Posted by WNBC View Post
 

 

Not Audeze but people, I mean audiophiles :-) I am also fan of Audeze and LCD-2, definitely no offense... It's just that none of Audeze or Hifiman headphones are "clearly better than HD800" even though people talked about in this manner every time (especially during the first year after release dates).

 

Why companies shouldnt release flagships each year or two then? We, audiophiles, are willing to appreciate even the slightest improvement or change in sound with our wallets... So why not?


Edited by HeadNroll - 2/6/14 at 1:42pm
post #7949 of 24295

Bingo!

 

I don't know where the improvements will be heard.  I've only had mine for a little over a month so I may find some quirks in the sound later on but after a decent list of headphones owned the HD800 is my favorite.  I admitted it!  At first I was a little skeptical but it has grown on me tremendously, esp. with the CSP3 in front of the Taboo in the chain.  

 

Maybe we can have a woody HD800 or 3D printed cups on the HD800.  I never thought I'd see a wood ring around the HE-500 :D.

 

 

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Originally Posted by HeadNroll View Post

 

We, audiophiles, are willing to appreciate even the slightest improvement or change in sound with our wallets... So why not?

post #7950 of 24295
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Originally Posted by HeadNroll View Post
 

 

Not Audeze but people, I mean audiophiles :-) I am also fan of Audeze and LCD-2, definitely no offense... It's just that none of Audeze or Hifiman headphones are "clearly better than HD800" even though people talked about in this manner every time (especially during the first year after release dates).

 

Why companies shouldnt release flagships each year or two then? We, audiophiles, are willing to appreciate even the slightest improvement or change in sound with our wallets... So why not?



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