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post #7891 of 14144
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Originally Posted by willjbryan View Post

I disagree with the view that the shrill treble on the HD800s is a product of the recordings that are fed into it, for two reasons.

First, my speakers have a flat frequency response curve. When I listen to most recordings on them, it sounds like live music. Less so the HD800, unless I EQ it to reduce the treble.

Second, if you compare the frequency response curve for the HD600 vs the HD800, you'll see that the latter is much louder through the mid-treble frequencies. My experience with the HD600, as well as every review of it I've read, is that it's extremely neutral, albeit somewhat lacking in speed and detail. I have a hard time believing that the HD800 is curing a defect of the HD600 in this respect. In any case, my ears side with the HD600 response, and even more with the HD800 tuned to match its predecessor.

 

When I plug the HD800 to the Asus Essence STX, it has too much treble and clinical. When I plug them into the V-DACII paired with a Lake People G100 amp, it sounds very neutral with almost no treble boost. When I plug it into my Onkyo stereoamp, it's somewhere in between but still sounds good. Only the Essence STX makes it sound too piercing (and missing texture too)

 

HD800 changes surprisingly much.

post #7892 of 14144
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Originally Posted by maarek99 View Post
 

 

When I plug the HD800 to the Asus Essence STX, it has too much treble and clinical. When I plug them into the V-DACII paired with a Lake People G100 amp, it sounds very neutral with almost no treble boost. When I plug it into my Onkyo stereoamp, it's somewhere in between but still sounds good. Only the Essence STX makes it sound too piercing (and missing texture too)

 

HD800 changes surprisingly much.

 

Oh of course.

 

I dont think the Essence STX is suitable at all for the HD 800.
 

post #7893 of 14144
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

I haven't heard the WA2 but I did hear the HD800/crack combo.  With good tube, the crack is really great with HD800 even though it's not a very warm amp to my ears.

I am also very curious about the WA2.  I've talked to some people who really like the HD800/WA2 combo.  DG is one of those owners.

 

How was the HD800/Crack combo in compare to your HD800/WA22 combo? Thanks!

post #7894 of 14144
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Originally Posted by Rem1x View Post
 

 

Oh of course.

 

I dont think the Essence STX is suitable at all for the HD 800.
 


You'd be surprised. The essence stx is a $200 card from a major manufacturer with all that entails in terms of volume and lowering costs.

 

And you don't pay for chassi or PSU, only for the card itself. So that's probably the equivalent of something like at least $500-$600 from a smaller manufacturer who has to make a custom chassi and so on.

 

It has a high-end DA and swappable op-amps and that card is certainly powerful enough to drive the HD800.

 

I bet with the right OP-amps and a little EQ-ing the essence STX will sound amazing for $200....


Edited by TwoEars - 2/2/14 at 4:36am
post #7895 of 14144
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Originally Posted by TwoEars View Post
 


You'd be surprised. The essence stx is a $200 card from a major manufacturer with all that entails in terms of volume and lowering costs.

 

And you don't pay for chassi or PSU, only for the card itself. So that's probably the equivalent of something like at least $500-$600 from a smaller manufacturer who has to make a custom chassi and so on.

 

It has a high-end DA and swappable op-amps and that card is certainly powerful enough to drive the HD800.

 

I bet with the right OP-amps and a little EQ-ing the essence STX will sound amazing for $200....



Oh yes.  I am fully aware.

 

I wasn't disrespecting it as a quality sound card. 

 

I love Asus and most of their products.

 

I meant it as.. the essence doesn't compliment the HD800 very well. 

 

Not "can't" - If that makes sense.

And of course that's speaking as it is..  With upgrades and EQ tweaking like you mentioned.. Things could change I guess.

 

post #7896 of 14144
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Originally Posted by Rem1x View Post
 



Oh yes.  I am fully aware.

 

I wasn't disrespecting it as a quality sound card. 

 

I love Asus and most of their products.

 

I meant it as.. the essence doesn't compliment the HD800 very well. 

 

Not "can't" - If that makes sense.

And of course that's speaking as it is..  With upgrades and EQ tweaking like you mentioned.. Things could change I guess.

 

 

Roger :regular_smile :

post #7897 of 14144

hd 800 deserve much more than an asus essence stx. I have had the card for more than 2 years. it is a very good sound card but not for the hd 800. it c'ant drive them properly. thin sound with no bottom end and very hot unpleasant treble. and the highest gain setting is not gonna change a thing. this card sound surprisingly good with th900 and denon d7000 headphones.

post #7898 of 14144
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Originally Posted by erikfreedom View Post
 

hd 800 deserve much more than an asus essence stx. I have had the card for more than 2 years. it is a very good sound card but not for the hd 800. it c'ant drive them properly. thin sound with no bottom end and very hot unpleasant treble. and the highest gain setting is not gonna change a thing. this card sound surprisingly good with th900 and denon d7000 headphones.

 

I could see that.

 

post #7899 of 14144
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Originally Posted by Viper2005 View Post
 

A Yulong DA8 with the Violectric V200 or Yulong A18 will do that for you in solid state, if you don't want to mess with tubes.  The A18 is more warmer and forward than the V200.

 

Thanks..  I like my amps to lean more towards the neutral side.

post #7900 of 14144
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Originally Posted by maarek99 View Post
 

 

When I plug the HD800 to the Asus Essence STX, it has too much treble and clinical. When I plug them into the V-DACII paired with a Lake People G100 amp, it sounds very neutral with almost no treble boost. When I plug it into my Onkyo stereoamp, it's somewhere in between but still sounds good. Only the Essence STX makes it sound too piercing (and missing texture too)

 

HD800 changes surprisingly much.


+1 on the initial part with the observations, just the conclusion has it backwards ;-)).

The HD800 doesn't change but it reveals the sound of each amp.

post #7901 of 14144

Just switched to HD 800 after an hour with T90's (Btlhd Crack + TS 5998 + Mullard Ecc82). Sounds a bit "lean" in comparison but the sound stage OMG :eek:, always amazes me. Fortunately Meier Daccord has a mid bass boost switch, flip it on & perfect :cool:. Guess there's no perfect HP :rolleyes: but there are ways to make them perfect for you ;) 

post #7902 of 14144

Punit - if you have one, try a 50's/60's tung sol 12au7 or 12bh7 in place of that mullard in your crack.  I like the tube combo you mentioned with my hd650's, but I also find the sound a little lean (and, depending on the recording, trebles a little too hot), as you described, with hd800's (at least, when the anax mod is not in place).  I consistently prefer tung sol's in the a-slot of my crack with hd800's, and they're generally not very expensive either.  They're more neutral than bugle boys and less bright than clear tops and the mullards I've heard.

 

Using a 6080 or 6as7g in place of the 5998 will also raise your output impedance and give you more midbass and bass bloom (at the cost of tightness), particularly with hd800's if you look at the 100hz spike in the impedance curve.  But I hear you in so far as the 5998's making some magic in terms of a holographic soundstage.    

 

I also saw your reference in the crack thread to interest in 6sn7 adapters.  Just in case you haven't done so already, I'd encourage you to search back through that thread for "adapter" and read up on the experiences many of us have had with those adapters creating plainly audible noise.  Bottlehead now recommends further mods to supply the heater pins with dc if you are going to run 6sn7's to mitigate that issue.

post #7903 of 14144

Thanks. I have ordered a tung sol 12au7 few days back & should get it this week. Yes , I did read about the noise created by some 6SN7 adapters but some users on the Btlhd forum's have also reported using them without any issue. I have ordered one as its only a $25 gamble & I have 2 very good 6SN7 tubes (TS & Sophia Elec.) which are know for their mid range sweetness, will let you know how it goes.

post #7904 of 14144
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Originally Posted by punit View Post
 

... Fortunately Meier Daccord has a mid bass boost switch, flip it on & perfect :cool:. Guess there's no perfect HP :rolleyes: but there are ways to make them perfect for you ;) 

I have something like that on my DAC as well. It's just a click of a button to change from solid state to vacuum tube. The change is very noticeable. 

post #7905 of 14144
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Originally Posted by Rayzilla View Post
 

I have something like that on my DAC as well. It's just a click of a button to change from solid state to vacuum tube. The change is very noticeable. 

 

A distortion button! Brilliant! :biggrin:

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