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post #7801 of 14004

Whenever I have a chance to visit live concerts I do so. Preferably acoustic Jazz in smaller clubs.  As I also like to photograph when allowed w/o flash, I squeeze in the front row. So piano and drum kit with cymbals are something that I hear live and close up on a regular basis. And also acoustic double bass for that matter.

 

I for sure don't have absolute hearing, nor am I a musician but for me hard hit cymbals either with a wooden drum stick (e.g. Vic Firth) or a metal brush, do have a some "natural" aggressiveness to them. For me the HD800 is able to reproduce this quite realistically and I do not feel that there is anything wrong with the presentation. For me it is as close to the original sound as possible.

Especially the reverb of the edge that slows down in a characteristic way is pretty difficult and things can get mushy very easily, not so with the HD800. I like it a lot but that just my personal impression which obviously differs from a lot of people ;-)).

 

 

... and of course no one wants a world w/o color ( I shoot black & white though ) but it needs to be just the same color, that's the point ;-).


Edited by icebear - 1/30/14 at 12:22pm
post #7802 of 14004

I thought the HD650 captured drum kit hi hats and cymbals in the correct amplitude - although definition is somewhat poor compared to the HD800.

post #7803 of 14004
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Originally Posted by eantala View Post
 

 

Can you guys recommend me any nice EQ software you use or are you just using default one in your player (ie the one in Foobar, etc)

 

IMO, the HD800s don't need EQ and they good as they are. 

post #7804 of 14004
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Originally Posted by icebear View Post

Whenever I have a chance to visit live concerts I do so. Preferably acoustic Jazz in smaller clubs.  As I also like to photograph when allowed w/o flash, I squeeze in the front row. So piano and drum kit with cymbals are something that I hear live and close up on a regular basis. And also acoustic double bass for that matter.

I for sure don't have absolute hearing, nor am I a musician but for me hard hit cymbals either with a wooden drum stick (e.g. Vic Firth) or a metal brush, do have a some "natural" aggressiveness to them. For me the HD800 is able to reproduce this quite realistically and I do not feel that there is anything wrong with the presentation. For me it is as close to the original sound as possible.
Especially the reverb of the edge that slows down in a characteristic way is pretty difficult and things can get mushy very easily, not so with the HD800. I like it a lot but that just my personal impression which obviously differs from a lot of people ;-)).


... and of course no one wants a world w/o color ( I shoot black & white though ) but it needs to be just the same color, that's the point ;-).
This is very similar to my experiences with live music , I find drums to be particularly unpleasant if I'm not in the mood. In fact sometimes hi hats and cymbals are just too much and kinda make me blink! The HD800s never do that but I still only listen to them when I really want to get into the music and appreciate every detail. For casual listening I always reach for the 650s.
post #7805 of 14004
Maybe it comes down to the way we listen at home, in our comfy chairs , in a quiet room with headphones on. It's not very natural to suddenly have a live band playing all around you in this place. When you are out with friends in a noisy social atmosphere your mind set is far different and more willing to accept the music in its purest , rawest form.
post #7806 of 14004
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+1

If people are hearing "coloration" with the HD800 -whatever their interpretation of this maybe - it's the source, the DAC, the amp and all the voodoo cables in between but it's highly unlikely the headphone. Same with the "piercing treble". A recording mixed to sound good on average loudspeakers can sound pretty harsh on something that is revealing as the HD800. How's that old saying "Brown stuff in, brown stuff out" ?  ;-)))).

Exactly. The HD800 let you hear differences in equipment clearly. Cable changes are noticeable as well as the source and amplifiers playing the music back.

post #7807 of 14004
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Exactly. The HD800 let you hear differences in equipment clearly. Cable changes are noticeable as well as the source and amplifiers playing the music back.

Agree. This is something I've seen stated a lot, but it wasn't until I got the HE-6 (again) recently and the HD800 that I really understood this. It's difficult to appreciate this on headphones without this degree if transparency and resolution.
post #7808 of 14004
I disagree with the view that the shrill treble on the HD800s is a product of the recordings that are fed into it, for two reasons.

First, my speakers have a flat frequency response curve. When I listen to most recordings on them, it sounds like live music. Less so the HD800, unless I EQ it to reduce the treble.

Second, if you compare the frequency response curve for the HD600 vs the HD800, you'll see that the latter is much louder through the mid-treble frequencies. My experience with the HD600, as well as every review of it I've read, is that it's extremely neutral, albeit somewhat lacking in speed and detail. I have a hard time believing that the HD800 is curing a defect of the HD600 in this respect. In any case, my ears side with the HD600 response, and even more with the HD800 tuned to match its predecessor.
post #7809 of 14004
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Based on your multiple recommendations for GEC 6AS7G with WA2 & HD 800, I bought one (for my Bttlhd Crack). Wow, Wow, Wow......:eek: Thanks.

post #7810 of 14004

To all fellow HD800 owners, I have a confession to make.  My component chain is the same but whatever has happened within the last 4 days, the low end on my HD800 has gone up a notch.  I don't personally believe in break in but at this point, I am becoming more and more hesitant to say that the HD800 doesn't kick as hard as my HE500 in the lows.  :p

post #7811 of 14004
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To all fellow HD800 owners, I have a confession to make.  My component chain is the same but whatever has happened within the last 4 days, the low end on my HD800 has gone up a notch.  I don't personally believe in break in but at this point, I am becoming more and more hesitant to say that the HD800 doesn't kick as hard as my HE500 in the lows.  tongue.gif
Sounds like brain burn in to me. It goes both Ways though. I go through phases with the 800s , sometimes I find them to have perfect bass, sometimes too little and sometimes they seem a little muddy down low. Depends what mood I'm in or what I've been doing leading up to having a listen. It's not so bad on other headphones or speakers, their colour always comes through because it's more pronounced.
post #7812 of 14004
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Sounds like brain burn in to me. It goes both Ways though. I go through phases with the 800s , sometimes I find them to have perfect bass, sometimes too little and sometimes they seem a little muddy down low. Depends what mood I'm in or what I've been doing leading up to having a listen. It's not so bad on other headphones or speakers, their colour always comes through because it's more pronounced.


Not sure what it is but 3 nites ago, i started listening to my favorite albums on the HD800 and instantly recognized the change in the lows.  Immediately, I switched over to HE500/Emo to compare and did confirm the clear increase of bass on the HD800/WA22.  Whatever happened!  I like it. 

post #7813 of 14004
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 


Not sure what it is but 3 nites ago, i started listening to my favorite albums on the HD800 and instantly recognized the change in the lows.  Immediately, I switched over to HE500/Emo to compare and did confirm the clear increase of bass on the HD800/WA22.  Whatever happened!  I like it. 

I believe in you! :beerchug:

post #7814 of 14004
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Originally Posted by willjbryan View Post

I disagree with the view that the shrill treble on the HD800s is a product of the recordings that are fed into it, for two reasons.

First, my speakers have a flat frequency response curve. When I listen to most recordings on them, it sounds like live music. Less so the HD800, unless I EQ it to reduce the treble.

Second, if you compare the frequency response curve for the HD600 vs the HD800, you'll see that the latter is much louder through the mid-treble frequencies. My experience with the HD600, as well as every review of it I've read, is that it's extremely neutral, albeit somewhat lacking in speed and detail. I have a hard time believing that the HD800 is curing a defect of the HD600 in this respect. In any case, my ears side with the HD600 response, and even more with the HD800 tuned to match its predecessor.

 

With regard to your speakers, how do you know they are "flat?" Where are they flat - measured at one foot? 3 feet? listening position? anechoic room?

 

With regard to the HD 600, neutral sounding is not necessarily the same as flat. Ears are shaped differently, different listening volume results in different perceived frequency response - it's all very subjective.

post #7815 of 14004
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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post


... sometimes I find them to have perfect bass, sometimes too little and sometimes they seem a little muddy down low...

I experience these as well. In my situation at home, my conclusion, that my setup for hd800 was power dependent. Usually, my best time to listen were early in the morning or late at night. Also, my biggest complaint in regard to the setup was that it was sensitive with wall-warts (phone charger etc). That's one of the reason I still have th900 to cover those times.

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