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Same here. There are some recordings that I find the HD800's treble too piercing, but for more than 90% of the time I don't have any trouble with HD800's treble.

+1

 

I was getting the parts ready to do the mod too but didn't find that it was needed.  Maybe, i will try the mod later and see if it would be an improvement.


Edited by koiloco - 1/29/14 at 9:23pm
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I think youncan get used to the treble but it is still more than neutral with most recordings. I prefer the frequency balance of the Anax mod (original version) but I find the sound a little veiled and muddled relative to what I am used to, which is the version 2 mod.

You can definately get used to the amount of treble, and with good equipment, and the mods I use its definitely not bothersome, but it holds the headphone back from being totally transparent and neutral.
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I almost returned my HD800s over that sickening effect of extended exposure to its treble, but EQing the 6khz-10khz band down 3-6 decibels (which brings it much closer to the HD600 curve) solves the problem for me.  Without the EQ fix, I would much rather listen to my PX-100s.  In the HD800's default presentation, it's like a supermodel in a fat suit.  I think the characterization of the HD800 as an unforgiving microscope into the true nature of its source assumes that the soundstage/instrumentation advantages of the ring driver go hand in hand with the hyped treble, but they certainly don't have to.


 Yeah, I play with EQ a lot.  That is how I confirm how a particular headphones technical capabilities.  Other than the HD800 treble peak (which people mod to improve) it is undeniably amongst the top heap in headphones period - if the treble is a non issue for some, that is great news.  Otherwise an EQ would be the only other acceptable way to neutralise that treble.

 

As standard though, there is no evidence to suggest that the HD800 is free from coloration.


Edited by SP Wild - 1/29/14 at 10:13pm
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

I listen at fairly low volumes with the HD800-it's far better for this than perhaps any other headphone I've heard actually-another reason I favor it. I could even claim it's the low-distortion that allows this. ;) Just the opposite from the T1 and LCD 2.2s imo where the Beyer doesn't come into it's own until it gets fairly loud imo, and the LCDs simply don't have the dynamics which lends to cranking those too. YMMV.

 

-Daniel

Me too. The only time I find them fatiguing is when they are cranked up. It's easy to get addicted to higher volume with these because you know what they are capable of. But restraint is the key ha! 

 

LCD's simply don't have the dynamics compared to the Senn's. All planars don't :D 

 

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I gave the HD800s the most chances of any headphone,  I even knew to keep the volumes very, very low...But alas, they were not for me - even at the lowest of volumes, after extended listening - they were somewhat sickening to me - that treble that is. 

 

I don't know who generated the myth that Audeze is not good at low volume or that they are lacking in dynamics, yeah - but lots of rubbish floating around at head-fi at the moment.

I found the LCD2 great at low volume. The bass impact stayed the same at low or high volume.

 

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 Yeah, I play with EQ a lot.  That is how I confirm how a particular headphones technical capabilities.  Other than the HD800 treble peak (which people mod to improve) it is undeniably amongst the top heap in headphones period - if the treble is a non issue for some, that is great news.  Otherwise an EQ would be the only other acceptable way to neutralise that treble.

 

As standard though, there is no evidence to suggest that the HD800 is free from coloration.

Absolutely. They are coloured and that is plain to hear and see with graphs etc. However, a headphone can be coloured but still very transparent imo. After all, there is no such thing as an uncoloured hp or speaker for that matter. Without getting into science territory - its a fine line of both subjective hearing and supposed objective measurements to state that a headphone leans towards neutrality. I hear colour at both ends of the spectrum with the HD800, more so at the top though and the measurements back this up. But I would also say that it is coloured to please the ears. As opposed to lay bare music for mixing. I use EQ on other headphones (AKG, Grado) but I've never needed to with the HD800. I've always found them more musical rather than analytical, despite their revealing nature. I do use warmer amps though as the transparent nature of this beast can make or break em.      


Edited by LugBug1 - 1/30/14 at 1:54am
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Originally Posted by willjbryan View Post
 

I almost returned my HD800s over that sickening effect of extended exposure to its treble, but EQing the 6khz-10khz band down 3-6 decibels (which brings it much closer to the HD600 curve) solves the problem for me.  Without the EQ fix, I would much rather listen to my PX-100s.  In the HD800's default presentation, it's like a supermodel in a fat suit.  I think the characterization of the HD800 as an unforgiving microscope into the true nature of its source assumes that the soundstage/instrumentation advantages of the ring driver go hand in hand with the hyped treble, but they certainly don't have to.


I agree, don't be afraid to EQ your HD800's.

 

I think many people spend thousands of dollars on cables and amps to get the sound they want when all that's really needed is a gentle nudge with an EQ.

 

You can have a lot of fun with it too, give it a +3-5 dB bass boost and this is a bass-heads dream! Those big membranes really come alive and listening to massive attack or magnetic man becomes a head-shaking experience.

 

Headphones that are normally considered bass-head headphones (Sony XB1000, Ultrasone Pro900) got nothing on the HD800 with a +3-5dB bass boost. It is TIGHT and it is DEEP.

 

Just for the record - I'm not really bass-head, I like neutral. But it can be done, and it's fun to play with.


Edited by TwoEars - 1/30/14 at 1:52am
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I agree, don't be afraid to EQ your HD800's.

 

+1 . I extract the best Sonic experience from all my HP's by applying a little EQ , when the situation demands it.

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I agree, don't be afraid to EQ your HD800's.

 

 

+1

2 or 3db deep bass boost and the HD800 will give you the best music experience you can get out of a headphone :)

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

+1

 

I was getting the parts ready to do the mod too but didn't find that it was needed.  Maybe, i will try the mod later and see if it would be an improvement.

 

Not needed for me.  I tried two different HD800s that had that Anax mod on them.  Both did not sound like the HD800s I know.  However, on my pair I did get them hardwired with a SAA Endorphin Cable.  This the only mod I'm doing.  Sound more refined than the stock pair but keeps what the HD800s are know for..

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Originally Posted by TheDuke990 View Post
 

 

+1

2 or 3db deep bass boost and the HD800 will give you the best music experience you can get out of a headphone :)

 

Can you guys recommend me any nice EQ software you use or are you just using default one in your player (ie the one in Foobar, etc)

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There is some recent talk of coloration.  I would say the HD800 is the least colored headphone I've come across.  Have you come across less colored headphones?  Stax?  AKG? 

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i would agree the HD 800 is one of the least colored headphones i've heard. but largely amp/source dependent.

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i would agree the HD 800 is one of the least colored headphones i've heard. but largely amp/source dependent.

 

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There is some recent talk of coloration.  I would say the HD800 is the least colored headphone I've come across.  Have you come across less colored headphones?  Stax?  AKG? 

 

I agree, In my review I even called the HD800 "perhaps the world's most transparent headphone". At least I've never heard one that has less coloration.

 

The only one I can imagine which would compete is the Stax... but I haven't head that one. It's a bit on the pricy side...


Edited by TwoEars - 1/30/14 at 9:38am
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The hD800 is a fantastic headphone and if you call transparency colored well then its colored big time. LOL I think it is  a headphone that let you hear everything in the recording accurately.  It my go to headphone for reviews becauseIcan easily hear every change I make in the chain.

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The hD800 is a fantastic headphone and if you call transparency colored well then its colored big time. LOL I think it is  a headphone that let you hear everything in the recording accurately.  It my go to headphone for reviews becauseIcan easily hear every change I make in the chain.


+1

If people are hearing "coloration" with the HD800 -whatever their interpretation of this maybe - it's the source, the DAC, the amp and all the voodoo cables in between but it's highly unlikely the headphone. Same with the "piercing treble". A recording mixed to sound good on average loudspeakers can sound pretty harsh on something that is revealing as the HD800. How's that old saying "Brown stuff in, brown stuff out" ?  ;-)))).

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But they do have an emphasized treble (defo not piercing though!) and that's a colouration. I've never found it bothersome at all but I can still hear it. And I'm not going to pretend that its not there. :D 

 

Amps/source will always be a factor with colouration and some amps will mask the peaks. But the ones that do mask it are the more coloured ones.  

 

Anyways, who wants a world without colour! :D

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