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post #7381 of 24313
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In my system he6 also suffered in dynamic contrast compared to hd800, and lacked the recovery speed to keep up with faster heavy metal. HE6 were however warmer, fuller bodied and with the right amp had better bass slam.

 

PRaT/transient response on the HE-6 on my system is no problem for thrash and other fast metal, to my ears easily outdoes the HD800 for metal given how much better the bass and bass slam is. If I'm listening to metal I can guarantee it is on my HE-6 and not my HD800. This is of course, like your own opinion, entirely subjective.

post #7382 of 24313
Double post.

Edited by Swolern - 1/10/14 at 6:54am
post #7383 of 24313
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In my system he6 also suffered in dynamic contrast compared to hd800, and lacked the recovery speed to keep up with faster heavy metal. HE6 were however warmer, fuller bodied and with the right amp had better bass slam.

Strange..

post #7384 of 24313
I took delivery of my HD800, so far Im liking it !
I was so worried that these would be unlistenable with out Summit Fi type gear but this has been greatly overblown. Im sure they scale and get much better but they're listenable [to me] on lesser gear.

I listented to the my laptop with just a dragonfly, and then just off my HTC One listening to just 320kb streaming Spotify
(I know I'm pretty pathetic as far as being an audiophile but discovering new music I like is much more exciting to me then listening to some reference tracks for the 1000th time on some new 32bit 392khz resolution format )

I really wish I picked up these things sooner they are very high in the area that really matter to most to Transparency. Listening to Jazz the instruments sound real with a very right sounding tone and great immediacy.

I need to order the adapter to use with my Q cable so I can hook it up to Mjolnir/Gungnir stack but tonight I will try on my Bottlehead Crack and Lafigaro 339 using mhdit havana dac listening to some lossless flacs. The looks of the hd800 really match the Mjonir/Gungnir and also the Lafigaro 339 as those are also all black and silver.

Due to the transparency of this headphone, I'm thinking of sellign some gear and getting a top notch DAC and headpone.
post #7385 of 24313
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Originally Posted by eantala View Post

I took delivery of my HD800, so far Im liking it !
I was so worried that these would be unlistenable with out Summit Fi type gear but this has been greatly overblown. Im sure they scale and get much better but they're listenable [to me] on lesser gear.

I listented to the my laptop with just a dragonfly, and then just off my HTC One listening to just 320kb streaming Spotify
(I know I'm pretty pathetic as far as being an audiophile but discovering new music I like is much more exciting to me then listening to some reference tracks for the 1000th time on some new 32bit 392khz resolution format )

I really wish I picked up these things sooner they are very high in the area that really matter to most to Transparency. Listening to Jazz the instruments sound real with a very right sounding tone and great immediacy.

I need to order the adapter to use with my Q cable so I can hook it up to Mjolnir/Gungnir stack but tonight I will try on my Bottlehead Crack and Lafigaro 339 using mhdit havana dac listening to some lossless flacs. The looks of the hd800 really match the Mjonir/Gungnir and also the Lafigaro 339 as those are also all black and silver.

Due to the transparency of this headphone, I'm thinking of sellign some gear and getting a top notch DAC and headpone.

You arent pathetic at all. The HD 800 is one of the best headphones on the market, and it sounds amazing no matter what you plug it into. The only criticism I have for you is that you own a BH Crack and you didnt immediately plug your 800's into it...lol.
post #7386 of 24313
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Huh?? How hard is it to tell the difference between pianissimo and triple forte? Dynamics are one of the easiest things to differentiate in audio (ime) between transducers, dacs, and amps.  Not hard-and simple to discern imo. I don't know about the HE500 per se, but the LCD 2.2 were fairly lacking in dynamics. Everything just seems on the same level almost-like most compressed 'loudness wars' music these days.

 

-Daniel


I believe I do know what dynamic is  from years of piano and violin lessons and still playing daily.  My underlined point, referring to the post about HE500 having a dynamic of 4-6 vs. HD800 2-7, is greatly exaggerated.  When the dynamic is soft/low(pp) in the music, are you telling me your LCD will play it much louder than on HD800?  Dynamic can be quite accurately measured.  Why don't we try using a sound meter and verify this myth and see how much more/less dynamic we are talking about here.  IMO, even an audio app on cell phone should gives a fairly decent measurement.

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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

 

Huh?? How hard is it to tell the difference between pianissimo and triple forte? Dynamics are one of the easiest things to differentiate in audio (ime) between transducers, dacs, and amps.  Not hard-and simple to discern imo. I don't know about the HE500 per se, but the LCD 2.2 were fairly lacking in dynamics. Everything just seems on the same level almost-like most compressed 'loudness wars' music these days.

 

-Daniel


I believe I do know what dynamic is  from years of piano and violin lessons and still playing daily.  My underlined point, referring to the post about HE500 having a dynamic of 4-6 vs. HD800 2-7, is greatly exaggerated.  When the dynamic is soft/low(pp) in the music, are you telling me your LCD will play it much louder than on HD800?  Dynamic can be quite accurately measured.  Why don't we try using a sound meter and verify this myth and see how much more/less dynamic we are talking about here.  IMO, even an audio app on cell phone should gives a fairly decent measurement.

No!!!! Now you're bringing Objectivism in to a Subjective conversation.....:ph34r:

post #7388 of 24313
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post
 

No!!!! Now you're bringing Objectivism in to a Subjective conversation.....:ph34r:


Well, if one said "to my ear" HD800 has way more dynamic than HE500 and clearly make it a subjective evaluation, I would have absolutely no problem accepting such statement.  Timbre, warm/cold, musical/analytical, those characteristics are more abstract and can't be easily measured/compared, thus very subjective.  IMO, dynamic is not one of the aforementioned.  Making such claim about dynamic difference of these HPs without disclosing your subjectivism is misleading and inaccurate cuz dynamic level/range could easily be verified.


Edited by koiloco - 1/10/14 at 10:28am
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Speed and a large soundstage are always better for reproducing dynamics in any hp ime. This stands to reason if you give it a little thought. These two attributes are what the HD800 excel at. So, no matter if it is classical or progressive rock they will be better than both the HE500 or LCD2 in regards to dynamic expression. Of course that's not to say they are going to be better at a certain genre of music per-say, just because that music happens to have big dynamics. That will always be a matter of personal preference. 

 

Another example of past flagships would be the HD650 vs the K701. The AKG are far more dynamic but many may prefer how the 650 renders classical music and rock. 

 

It's pointless separating subjective/objective with an argument such as this imo, because there can't then be a legitimate argument. Everything will be subjective and therefore hold no weight at all.

 

(and that is probably the last serious post you'll get out of me tonight. I've just opened a fresh bottle of Scotch.)

post #7390 of 24313
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Speed and a large soundstage are always better for reproducing dynamics in any hp ime. This stands to reason if you give it a little thought. These two attributes are what the HD800 excel at. So, no matter if it is classical or progressive rock they will be better than both the HE500 or LCD2 in regards to dynamic expression. Of course that's not to say they are going to be better at a certain genre of music per-say, just because that music happens to have big dynamics. That will always be a matter of personal preference. 

 

Another example of past flagships would be the HD650 vs the K701. The AKG are far more dynamic but many may prefer how the 650 renders classical music and rock. 

 

It's pointless separating subjective/objective with an argument such as this imo, because there can't then be a legitimate argument. Everything will be subjective and therefore hold no weight at all.

 

(and that is probably the last serious post you'll get out of me tonight. I've just opened a fresh bottle of Scotch.)

 

+1  Excelent!

post #7391 of 24313

Nice write up Lugbug. I think soundstage depth also has a lot to do w/ the perception of dynamics. Also-I don't think the point of dynamics is exaggerated-simply because I find it one of the easiest traits that distinguishes gear, and also the trait that (personally) makes music sound the most lifelike. Whether it's easily measureable or not (it is)-it's very easy to hear and understand, to a trained ear. Not subtle.

 

-Daniel

post #7392 of 24313
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Speed and a large soundstage are always better for reproducing dynamics in any hp ime. This stands to reason if you give it a little thought. These two attributes are what the HD800 excel at. So, no matter if it is classical or progressive rock they will be better than both the HE500 or LCD2 in regards to dynamic expression. Of course that's not to say they are going to be better at a certain genre of music per-say, just because that music happens to have big dynamics. That will always be a matter of personal preference. 

 

Another example of past flagships would be the HD650 vs the K701. The AKG are far more dynamic but many may prefer how the 650 renders classical music and rock. 

 

It's pointless separating subjective/objective with an argument such as this imo, because there can't then be a legitimate argument. Everything will be subjective and therefore hold no weight at all.

 

(and that is probably the last serious post you'll get out of me tonight. I've just opened a fresh bottle of Scotch.)

Do you need help with that? or the answer will also be subjective? 

Kidding asides, regarding perceived dynamic influenced by soundstage+speed, I agree with you.  If we strictly discuss dynamic itself, I would agree to disagree.  Drink responsibly...:beerchug:

post #7393 of 24313
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

Nice write up Lugbug. I think soundstage depth also has a lot to do w/ the perception of dynamics. Also-I don't think the point of dynamics is exaggerated-simply because I find it one of the easiest traits that distinguishes gear, and also the trait that (personally) makes music sound the most lifelike. Whether it's easily measureable or not (it is)-it's very easy to hear and understand, to a trained ear. Not subtle.

 

-Daniel

Thanks. Absolutely agree and well put. 

 

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Do you need help with that? or the answer will also be subjective? 

Kidding asides, regarding perceived dynamic influenced by soundstage+speed, I agree with you.  If we strictly discuss dynamic itself, I would agree to disagree.  Drink responsibly...:beerchug:

Haha I've kind of learned not to post seriously when I've had a drink.. Because you cringe like hell in morning when you read it! 

 

:beerchug:

 

I'm not sure what you mean by 'dynamic itself' in relation to the context above though bud.. Surely it has to relate to the 'perceived dynamics' if we are to keep this an argument on headphones :) -  (its ok I've only had a couple *hic*)  

post #7394 of 24313
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Thanks. Absolutely agree and well put. 

 

Haha I've kind of learned not to post seriously when I've had a drink.. Because you cringe like hell in morning when you read it! 

 

:beerchug:

 

I'm not sure what you mean by 'dynamic itself' in relation to the context above though bud.. Surely it has to relate to the 'perceived dynamics' if we are to keep this an argument on headphones :) -  (its ok I've only had a couple *hic*)  


Dynamic, as I've been trained in piano/music lessons since 6, has always been about controlling the overall loudness, ppp to fff per say.  Different level of dynamic of course can be achieved by finger attack speed on piano or bowing pressure/speed/angle on violin and other techniques... For me, dynamic is simply the range between the lowest volume and the highest volume. 

I have also realized that when it comes to HPs, the perceived dynamic is greatly affected by what you mentioned, soundstage, HP speed...these factors make the argument a little too subjective to discuss clearly cuz we all hear/perceive things very differently.

Btw, I love scotch but prefer tequila.  New bottle last nite too.  :D 

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Dynamic: Giving an impression of wide dynamic range. This is related to perceived speed as well as contrasts in volume both large and small.


Dynamic range: 
1) Pertaining to a signal: the ratio between the loudest and the quietest passages. 
2) Pertaining to a component: the ratio between its no-signal noise and the loudest peak it will pass without distortion.

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