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Originally Posted by akhyar View Post

That is a very good price considering the HDVD800 is selling at double the price of the WA7.
Having said that I'm happy with the pairing of HD800 and WA7 that I have right now.
But in future if the budget allow, I'm thinking of better DAC and WA22

Both are wonderful with HD800.  The WA22 will cost you a bit more with upgraded tubes.  I find the WA7 really hits the spot with HD800 + it looks dang gorgeous.

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I kinda wish I hadn't sold the WA7 so quickly so I could try out how it pairs with the HD800. Then again, had I kept it, I probably couldn't afford the HD800. From what I remember though, I found the WA7 less warm than the Crack. For example, I found the Beyerdynamic T90 to pair better with the Crack since it's a very bright headphone with treble peaks and sibilance galore. I liked the HD700 on the WA7 better because the HD700 had a fuller bottom end, and the Crack made it a bit dark sounding. I'd gather I'd prefer the Crack more just because I found that even through the Crack alone, the HD800 was still a bit bright and thin sounding to me, and it was really adding the Quickie to the chain that got it right.

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During more than half a year I tried several gears with the HD800 for my quest of the best pairing for them and to my ears.

 

I tried some very expensive gears like EPA-007+ the dac HD-7A92, or some Luxman's high end gear (P-700u and P-1u with DA-06) or Triode gears...and I ended buying a hdvd800.

 

I've never tried the Taurus then but I think the HDVD800 and hdva600 do the job very very nicely.


Edited by Marshal Banana - 1/7/14 at 10:13pm
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post
 

I kinda wish I hadn't sold the WA7 so quickly so I could try out how it pairs with the HD800. Then again, had I kept it, I probably couldn't afford the HD800. From what I remember though, I found the WA7 less warm than the Crack. For example, I found the Beyerdynamic T90 to pair better with the Crack since it's a very bright headphone with treble peaks and sibilance galore. I liked the HD700 on the WA7 better because the HD700 had a fuller bottom end, and the Crack made it a bit dark sounding. I'd gather I'd prefer the Crack more just because I found that even through the Crack alone, the HD800 was still a bit bright and thin sounding to me, and it was really adding the Quickie to the chain that got it right.

 

I had an opportunity to compare the WA7 with Crack (without Speedball) at a meet a few months back. What was most noticeable the WA7 was smoother and more detailed. Mind you, it was using the cryo treated EH gold pin tubes, which probably are the pick of the crop. We have tried Crack with 5 or 6 different tubes and while it definitely made a diffference, the WA7 was always better sounding. Perhaps the Speedball could make a difference. We haven't used Quickie but Crack was fed from audio-gd NFB-5.2 used as a DAC/pre-amp. 

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Originally Posted by PleasantSounds View Post
 

 

I had an opportunity to compare the WA7 with Crack (without Speedball) at a meet a few months back. What was most noticeable the WA7 was smoother and more detailed. Mind you, it was using the cryo treated EH gold pin tubes, which probably are the pick of the crop. We have tried Crack with 5 or 6 different tubes and while it definitely made a diffference, the WA7 was always better sounding. Perhaps the Speedball could make a difference. We haven't used Quickie but Crack was fed from audio-gd NFB-5.2 used as a DAC/pre-amp. 


Yeah I had the EH upgrade tubes when I had the WA7. It was definitely a significant difference, especially in the bass for the HD700. Ultimately I chose to sell both the WA7 and HD700 because the HE-500 with speaker amp did everything better than the HD700 imo. Like I said, I liked the WA7 better than Crack for the HD700, so it could very well be great for Sennheisers. With the stock Crack (no speedball) that I have, I demoed with my friend's HD800 and came away unimpressed. This was before I had the Quickie. I only got the HD800 because of the $890 sale price. Comparing the Crack alone with the Quickie in the chain, I found it was big difference. I did other comparisons and concluded that the Quickie is pulling most of the weight/imparting its sound in the chain. In fact, I found when the Quickie was added to my Emotiva, a solid state speaker amp I use for my HE-500, and is not optimized for HD800 to actually sound better than Crack alone. The Emotiva alone, like many have reported, sounds pretty bad with the HD800. Of course, depending on gain stages the Quickie could very well work with the WA7 with no noise floor problems. Luckily the Crack matches the gain stage with the Quickie so it's dead silent. I've had the Speedball kit since the Crack kit arrived, but just haven't bothered to install it yet. Looks like I'll be adding it soon.

 

Also, I was never a big fan of the DAC that came with the WA7. I found that my current D3 DAC to be better in terms of detail retrieval. At that $1000 price, if I were to buy Woo Audio again, I would get the WA2. It's been my experience getting a specific amp for a specific headphone results in the best value for the sound, rather than getting a versatile amp. I'm definitely more esoteric in my gear compared to when I got the WA7.

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Both are wonderful with HD800.  The WA22 will cost you a bit more with upgraded tubes.  I find the WA7 really hits the spot with HD800 + it looks dang gorgeous.

 

It indeed looks gorgeous and has a very high WAF.

My wife gives her thumbs up when I power on the WA7.

 

Not sure if she'll do the same if I bring home the WA2 or WA22 :tongue_smile:

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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post
 

Just tried it directly with my phone. Rumors of the HD800's demise has been greatly exaggerated. Actually doesn't sound bad at all. At least not in a sense that it hurts your ears to listen to it. Then I compare it to my Quickie + Crack setup, and the difference is apparent. Much more open, more details, and less raw sounding. Everything including vocals are much more natural and realistic sounding. However without a comparison, the HD800 direct to my phone would make most people, especially those outside of hi-fi, think these are the best headphones they've heard.

Im quite sure people who say that the HDVD600/800 + HD800 is bad are as right as those who say its good (Im sort of simplyfing it). 

After all Sound is subjective right?

I know waht you mean sonido.

The Right amp/Dac might "Add" some quality, but if there has to BE quality in the first place and even a non-audiophile can notice that.

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Is there anyone who compared a Rega dac and a Benchmark DAC1 with his HD800 here ? as pure dac and as DAC/AMP ?   i'm interested in a used Benchmark at good price but I really appreciate the Rega warmth and I'm afraid to loose too much euphony with the Benchmark. 


Edited by Sorrodje - 1/8/14 at 10:41am
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Honestly the Crack doesn't offer the tremendous value without the Speedball upgrade. The sound is much better. 

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Originally Posted by Greed View Post
 

Honestly the Crack doesn't offer the tremendous value without the Speedball upgrade. The sound is much better. 

eh greed - what is the buffalo 3 like compared to the Nad M51? Wrong thread and all but i thought i'd ask. 

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Has anyone compared the "Crack + Speedball" to the Lyr for the HD800?

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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post
 

eh greed - what is the buffalo 3 like compared to the Nad M51? Wrong thread and all but i thought i'd ask. 

 

I'll pm you soon to avoid derailing the thread. 

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I'll pm you soon to avoid derailing the thread. 

thanks. 

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hi guys Im getting my hd800 tomorrow
is BH Crack Speedball / Lafigaro 339 / Mjolnir pretty good matches for the hd800?

I know these are suppose to scale up to the wazoo but it may be a while before I could get something else, unless I drastically cull the herd.
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Crack = yes.

339 = should be good though I haven't heard 1 to confirm

Mjolnir = not to my ears.

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