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post #7261 of 13303
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I could be wrong, but I doubt Crutchfield sells to Colombia.

As far as solid state with HD800 under $1000 (to fit with Concero $600) I haven't heard anything I would say is as good as the CSP2+, not even close. The Mjolnir is a good option on a budget, but if you can handle tubes, the CSP2+ is significantly better for the extra price. Otherwise I would say go with a Matrix M-Stage HPA-2 (~$280) and save your pennies for eventual Headamp GS-X 2 (~$2800), the only high end solid state that can hang with tube amps (have not heard Cavalli Liquid Gold, but at $6500, it's well beyond my limit). Concero + HPA-2 if you must go solid state. The Concero HP is a good alternative for slightly worse sound in a microscopic package size and it is a little cheaper than the Concero + HPA-2 combo.

 

I have a shipping address in the U.S. so delivery wouldn't be a problem. The issue for me is I can not sample any gear before buying it, so I must make the decision blindfolded so to speak, and can not afford to make the wrong one. This is quite an expensive hobby.

 

Tube sound I'm not entirely convinced I'll like. SS I know and like.

 

Another thing is, I only listen to music at very moderate volumes. Is this a factor to consider when determining how much to spend on an amp? Maybe the money could be best allocated on a better DAC?

post #7262 of 13303
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Just got home and ready to eat dinner but I have just joined the club. And I couldn't hold off on the amp purchase and got everything now.

Congrats! What amp did you go for?

post #7263 of 13303

In my opinion the amp is important at all levels of listening so I wouldn't use it as a factor in spending more on a DAC.  However, some headphones are not strong at low levels.  I couldn't tell you the engineering reasoning for this but there are lots of energy analogies in enzymology.  The HD800 is very good at low levels.  

 

There's a huge range of opinions when it comes to the importance of DACs.  

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/689783/december-2013-mid-level-dac-comparison

http://www.head-fi.org/t/693798/ranking-of-17-dacs-and-dac-configurations

 

I have heard DACs that I didn't think were great, but these were not controlled tests so I won't make any big claims.  For me the spending importance goes Amp > DAC because one does not have to spend a lot to get a technically great DAC.  One pays for the extra features.  I have heard the HD800 is picky with sources and DACs.  I've been lucky in that the Ciunas DAC and HD800 work well together so I'm not going to DAC roll.    

 

Since you are listening to a lot of CDs would you consider an Oppo BDP 103?  You can use it as a computer DAC as well just play CDs and feed the signal to your amp.  I had the BDP-105 and I found it quite capable for computer audio as well as a CD player.  Turns out I just wasn't using its capacity as a Blu Ray player and I wanted to try other things.  Lots of reviews out there on these Oppos.  I'm guessing you'll still need to pair it with a headphone amp.  I'm sure other people have tried it with the HD800 and no external amp.  

 

If the Ciunas + V200 sound almost on par with my Ciunas + CSP3 then I would strongly recommend taking a look at the V200.  The V200 also plays well with other headphones you might try down the road.  

 

As for tubes vs SS amps.  I came into this hobby 4 years ago with no ideas about DACs, tubes, SS, etc.  Now having owned both SS and tube amps I've determined tube rolling is not hard unless one wants to consider the uber expensive tubes.  There is a time and place for both SS and tube amps.  Tube amps can be highly engaging and dynamic.  I am a fan of them.  

 

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Tube sound I'm not entirely convinced I'll like. SS I know and like.

 

Another thing is, I only listen to music at very moderate volumes. Is this a factor to consider when determining how much to spend on an amp? Maybe the money could be best allocated on a better DAC?


Edited by WNBC - 1/5/14 at 10:13am
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^ Good call on the Oppo, given his preferences.

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What about solid state?

I have only listened to SS above $1500 price point so I can't comment.  My $170 Emotiva is excellent for HE500 but doesn't pair well with HD800 in my set up.

Sonido recently put the quickie and crack in front of the Emotiva and according to him, he got pretty good synergy with this chain for his HD800.  I also tried putting my Woo WA22 => Emotiva => HD800.  It did sound better but to my ears, not optimal even in comparison to WA22 alone.  I personally found tube amps more suitable for

HD800 and my taste.  Btw, Glenn can make you an OTL for the HD800.  There are quite a few happy owners of Glenn's amps driving HD800's.  Check the thread out.

$1500 is pretty good for DAC/amp combo.  I have found that HD800 is very amp "sensitive" but not as picky like others have suggested.  Even from a low end amp, HD800 will still sound like HD800; it has a very strong sound signature.  Take your time and look around.

What do you mean "it has a strong sound sig"? Would you care to elaborate?

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Since you are listening to a lot of CDs would you consider an Oppo BDP 103? You can use it as a computer DAC as well just play CDs and feed the signal to your amp.

The 103 does not work as a computer DAC, I have one, it's only the 105 that has the USB Sabre DAC...

I do like the 103 though, FWIW.

post #7267 of 13303

Thanks for the clarification.  

 

If CDCollector already has a CD player then maybe put the money into the amp first then decide on a DAC later. 

   

 

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The 103 does not work as a computer DAC, I have one, it's only the 105 that has the USB Sabre DAC...

I do like the 103 though, FWIW.

post #7268 of 13303
I was trying to explain to a friend today why the HD800 is so great. I even pulled up some innerfidelity graphs to aid my explanation. I also showed him the sr-009 ones to show the reasons why I would consider them as well as the 800s as technically best HP available today. Now looking at this data along with some waterfall plots i honestly think the HD800 is technically better than the stax. I mean it's as quick in its decay if not slightly quicker and that's the biggest e-stat trump card usually. Thoughts?
post #7269 of 13303
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What do you mean "it has a strong sound sig"? Would you care to elaborate?

IMO, the HD800 retains the way it sounds very well on different amps ranging from my Fiio E17 DAC/Amp, to the next up Fiio E09K, crack, Emotiva, Integrated amp and finally WA22.  The sound quality improves or worsen depending on each amp but I can still hear the same strong/forward mid, cold upper mid, the sound stage.  Hope I answered your question.

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How about the BDA-1 + BHA-1? If one is going to spend that much on a pair of headphones, one might as well do this right.

 

Regarding the CD player, I'd rather get one that didn't much or, ideally, anything besides playing CDs. I wouldn't use bluray or any other functions. I know of CD transports, but again they're more expensive. I'm looking at the Marantz CD6005. How good of DAC might the one included with the CD6005 be? Maybe just the CD6005 plus the BHA-1 for now might cut it.

post #7271 of 13303
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Congrats! What amp did you go for?

I kind of went a bit off track and picked up the Line Magnetic Mini 218 IA as the amp and the Line Magnetic 502CA dac. I'm about to leave for work soon so I'll have to come back to this later tonight.

 

 

Here's a quick review on the dac:

http://www.witchdoctor.co.nz/index.php/2013/06/line-magnetic-lm-502ca-vacuum-tube-dac-review/

 

And here's a little bit on the Mini 218 IA amp:

http://audioshark.org/amplifiers-8/cool-tube-gear-line-magnetic-680-page2.html#.UsniHWQW1Kk

post #7272 of 13303
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What do you mean "it has a strong sound sig"? Would you care to elaborate?
IMO, the HD800 retains the way it sounds very well on different amps ranging from my Fiio E17 DAC/Amp, to the next up Fiio E09K, crack, Emotiva, Integrated amp and finally WA22.  The sound quality improves or worsen depending on each amp but I can still hear the same strong/forward mid, cold upper mid, the sound stage.  Hope I answered your question.
You have, sorta. I understand what you are referring to with the changes in amps and other components.

I just didn't know you meant by "strong sound signature", cold, warm, you know.
post #7273 of 13303
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You have, sorta. I understand what you are referring to with the changes in amps and other components.

I just didn't know you meant by "strong sound signature", cold, warm, you know.

Maybe, dominant would be a better term than strong.

post #7274 of 13303
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

IMO, the HD800 retains the way it sounds very well on different amps ranging from my Fiio E17 DAC/Amp, to the next up Fiio E09K, crack, Emotiva, Integrated amp and finally WA22.  The sound quality improves or worsen depending on each amp but I can still hear the same strong/forward mid, cold upper mid, the sound stage.  Hope I answered your question.

What DAC/s did you use when you are hearing the HD800 with all these different amps? In my experience, DAC plays just as important/more important a role as the amplifier in imparting a sound signature on HD800. Compared to other TOTL headphones, I felt that HD800 can change its sound signature more than the rest, using different DACs and amplifiers.

post #7275 of 13303

Got my baby back..  :biggrin:

 

 

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