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post #7231 of 19562
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Concero and CSP2+

I had taboo MKIII for a little bit.  The amp sounded great with HD800 but unfortunately, I had other associated problems that I ended up returning the Taboo to Steve.  Super customer service, IMO.

post #7232 of 19562
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Concero and CSP2+

 

 

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Yes, bifrost and WA2 would be another combo right at your price point.

 

What about solid state?

post #7233 of 19562

Concero, BH Crack + Speedball, and room for upgraded cables as well. 

post #7234 of 19562
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What about solid state?

I have only listened to SS above $1500 price point so I can't comment.  My $170 Emotiva is excellent for HE500 but doesn't pair well with HD800 in my set up.

Sonido recently put the quickie and crack in front of the Emotiva and according to him, he got pretty good synergy with this chain for his HD800.  I also tried putting my Woo WA22 => Emotiva => HD800.  It did sound better but to my ears, not optimal even in comparison to WA22 alone.  I personally found tube amps more suitable for

HD800 and my taste.  Btw, Glenn can make you an OTL for the HD800.  There are quite a few happy owners of Glenn's amps driving HD800's.  Check the thread out.

$1500 is pretty good for DAC/amp combo.  I have found that HD800 is very amp "sensitive" but not as picky like others have suggested.  Even from a low end amp, HD800 will still sound like HD800; it has a very strong sound signature.  Take your time and look around.


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post #7235 of 19562

Buddy is lending me his Violectric V200 and I'll let you know.  Should be a very good pairing.

 

 

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What about solid state?

post #7236 of 19562

Thanks for all your recommendations. I gather these headphones work best with tubes, which is something I wanted to avoid but now am not sure I should.

 

It is difficult to make a decision without the opportunity of listening to the gear first -which is impossible here- and at the prices involved one really cannot afford to make the wrong one.

post #7237 of 19562
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Thanks for all your recommendations. I gather these headphones work best with tubes, which is something I wanted to avoid but now am not sure I should.

 

It is difficult to make a decision without the opportunity of listening to the gear first -which is impossible here- and at the prices involved one really cannot afford to make the wrong one.

Based on your location and circumstances, I personally would go with solid state too.  The Sein HDVD800 DAC/Amp is a little above your budget but maybe keep an eye out for a used one?  Then, there's $900 Woo WA7 DAC/Amp which I have personally listened to.  It sounds wonderful with HD800 but it's also a tube amp(much less tube rolling though)

post #7238 of 19562
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Based on your location and circumstances, I personally would go with solid state too.  The Sein HDVD800 DAC/Amp is a little above your budget but maybe keep an eye out for a used one?  Then, there's $900 Woo WA7 DAC/Amp which I have personally listened to.  It sounds wonderful with HD800 but it's also a tube amp(much less tube rolling though)

 

I've looked at the Sennheiser amp/DAC but oddly enough have not encountered too many references. One could expect it to suit these headphones particularly well. Anyone here actually uses it?

post #7239 of 19562
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Based on your location and circumstances, I personally would go with solid state too.  The Sein HDVD800 DAC/Amp is a little above your budget but maybe keep an eye out for a used one?  Then, there's $900 Woo WA7 DAC/Amp which I have personally listened to.  It sounds wonderful with HD800 but it's also a tube amp(much less tube rolling though)

you can always test drive the HDVD800 from Crutchfield risk free for a month.  It is a little bit above your budget, but you might find out it is all you need.

post #7240 of 19562
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you can always test drive the HDVD800 from Crutchfield risk free for a month.  It is a little bit above your budget, but you might find out it is all you need.
I could be wrong, but I doubt Crutchfield sells to Colombia.

As far as solid state with HD800 under $1000 (to fit with Concero $600) I haven't heard anything I would say is as good as the CSP2+, not even close. The Mjolnir is a good option on a budget, but if you can handle tubes, the CSP2+ is significantly better for the extra price. Otherwise I would say go with a Matrix M-Stage HPA-2 (~$280) and save your pennies for eventual Headamp GS-X 2 (~$2800), the only high end solid state that can hang with tube amps (have not heard Cavalli Liquid Gold, but at $6500, it's well beyond my limit). Concero + HPA-2 if you must go solid state. The Concero HP is a good alternative for slightly worse sound in a microscopic package size and it is a little cheaper than the Concero + HPA-2 combo.
post #7241 of 19562

Great to hear that the Decware amp is top notch because I have no intention of buying any additional tube amps so it's my CSP3 for the long haul.  The Bottlehead amps are highly regarded when paired with a HD800.  Did you ever get a chance to hear one of them with a HD800?

 

 

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I could be wrong, but I doubt Crutchfield sells to Colombia.

As far as solid state with HD800 under $1000 (to fit with Concero $600) I haven't heard anything I would say is as good as the CSP2+, not even close. The Mjolnir is a good option on a budget, but if you can handle tubes, the CSP2+ is significantly better for the extra price. Otherwise I would say go with a Matrix M-Stage HPA-2 (~$280) and save your pennies for eventual Headamp GS-X 2 (~$2800), the only high end solid state that can hang with tube amps (have not heard Cavalli Liquid Gold, but at $6500, it's well beyond my limit). Concero + HPA-2 if you must go solid state. The Concero HP is a good alternative for slightly worse sound in a microscopic package size and it is a little cheaper than the Concero + HPA-2 combo.
post #7242 of 19562
Not with the HD800. I heard one with HD650 off Bottlehead's tape rig at RMAF 2011 and was completely underwhelmed. I believe it was a Crack w/ Speedball, but it could have been the standard. I don't recall. I don't intend to own a Bottlehead product based on that experience. I'd be willing to give one another try at a meet/etc, though.

The CSP2+ is excellent, but I don't doubt there are other tube amps just beyond it's price point that can bypass it. I've never heard a Zana Duex and that is one of the most popular HD800 amps at that price point. I'm not as anti-tube rolling as I was a year ago, but I'd still rather not bother with it, so above the Bryston BHA-1, there is almost nothing solid state except DIY or GS-X2, which happened to be a perfect match. The other SS options like the Bakoon and Liquid Gold are more than I am comfortable spending.
post #7243 of 19562

What I like about the Decware amp is that one could go with stock tubes and be happy for a long time.  

 

I'm thinking the V200 will work well with the HD800.  I believe the designer uses the HD800 as his testing headphone with this amp.  I owned one in the past and it was pretty good with the planars.  The shortcoming was mainly in soundstage width.  HD800 has some width to spare.  Plus this amp can be had for $700-900 on the used market.  If it doesn't sound as good as my tube amp I'll let you know.  Since I am just getting it on loan there will be no purchase bias :D.  I'm not expecting miracles as the owner said he still preferred tube amps but he liked the V200 as a solid state alternative.

  

 

 

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Not with the HD800. I heard one with HD650 off Bottlehead's tape rig at RMAF 2011 and was completely underwhelmed. I believe it was a Crack w/ Speedball, but it could have been the standard. I don't recall. I don't intend to own a Bottlehead product based on that experience. I'd be willing to give one another try at a meet/etc, though.

The CSP2+ is excellent, but I don't doubt there are other tube amps just beyond it's price point that can bypass it. I've never heard a Zana Duex and that is one of the most popular HD800 amps at that price point. I'm not as anti-tube rolling as I was a year ago, but I'd still rather not bother with it, so above the Bryston BHA-1, there is almost nothing solid state except DIY or GS-X2, which happened to be a perfect match. The other SS options like the Bakoon and Liquid Gold are more than I am comfortable spending.
post #7244 of 19562
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The V200 is a great amp, and is incredibly versatile. Good German pairing all around. :tongue:

post #7245 of 19562
I will have a Violectric V181 balanced amp and V800 balanced DAC to try in a week or so. I am looking forward to trying their gear as I've never heard any of it before.
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