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post #6481 of 20002
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You should consider the A18 amplifier from Yulong. 

 

Wow, thanks, the review from project86 looks very promising!

You're welcome. Im sure youd be more than happy with the pairing.

post #6482 of 20002
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You're welcome. Im sure youd be more than happy with the pairing.

 

Thank you again, really... Any other ideas?

post #6483 of 20002
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You're welcome. Im sure youd be more than happy with the pairing.

 

Thank you again, really... Any other ideas?

For a warm amp, the A18 was my favorite. There are a few other budget amps like the M-stage, and the balanced version "Quattro" which is said to be a great setup around the HD800. 

 

Keep in mind that even though the amp has a balanced headphone input, the A18 is not a fully balanced amp--if a balanced amp is what you are looking for. It shouldnt be a deal breaker for that reason though.


Edited by DarKen23 - 11/18/13 at 9:07am
post #6484 of 20002
The V200 is great. I haven't heard your other options, but for me it's basically as good as the Taboo MKiii.
post #6485 of 20002
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The V200 is great. I haven't heard your other options, but for me it's basically as good as the Taboo MKiii.

 

Yeah, I am on the fence between V200 vs A18...

 

V200:

 - slightly more neutral

 - absolutely silent

 - more power

 - more detailed (according to project's review)

 - two 1/4 headphone out (brilliant for testing headphones)

 - better servicable for me (EU)

 

A18

 - better soundstaging (that's significant for me)

 - more "natural"/warm-sounding (could work better with HD800)

 - working for both 110/220v (this is not very important since it's easy to switch this on V200 internally)


Edited by emertxe - 11/18/13 at 10:05am
post #6486 of 20002
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The V200 is great. I haven't heard your other options, but for me it's basically as good as the Taboo MKiii.

 

That is a bit surprising. Having owned the V200 in the past, I would rate the Taboo as several classes above in transparency alone. V200 is quite warm tinted, with a small soundstage, less air at the top, and slower transients. I can see how it sinergizes with the HD800s but it is not even remotely close to the Taboo performance as an amplifier.

 

I would say your system must have another bottleneck downstream.


Edited by negura - 11/18/13 at 10:08am
post #6487 of 20002
Haha I think the bottleneck is me. smily_headphones1.gif
post #6488 of 20002
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V200 is quite warm tinted, with a small soundstage, less air at the top, and slower transients.

 

Could you tell me how significant these "flaws" are? The way you describe it, one would think the V200 is a bad amplifier...

post #6489 of 20002
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Originally Posted by emertxe View Post
 

 

Could you tell me how significant these "flaws" are? The way you describe it, one would think the V200 is a bad amplifier...

 

Like with anything in audio, it depends on the comparison. I thought the HD650 are quite good until I heard the HD800. :)

 

At its price range the V200 used to be very decent. If one is only going to use it for the HD800s or other neutral headphones it sinergizes well. It doesn't do a lot of justice to Audeze or other warmer headphones.

 

The Soloist is better overall at that budget range, but it's neutral, so yeah. And these are the HD800s. It's not easy.

 

The Taboo is in a higher price and performance class.


Edited by negura - 11/18/13 at 10:17am
post #6490 of 20002
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Thank you again, really... Any other ideas?

Matrix M-stage... No seriously, slightly warmer than neutral with nice soundstage. Detail is not up there with the best, but If you can't afford the best.... :D 

 

Has very good synergy with the HD800. And you can easily put it in your bag. (man bag) 

post #6491 of 20002
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Originally Posted by Kendoji View Post

Haha I think the bottleneck is me. smily_headphones1.gif

 

Don't flatter yourself too much. :beyersmile:  The Taboo will scale a lot with better downstream (more so than the V200).

post #6492 of 20002
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The V200 is great. I haven't heard your other options, but for me it's basically as good as the Taboo MKiii.

 

Yeah, I am on the fence between V200 vs A18...

 

V200:

 - slightly more neutral

 - absolutely silent

 - more power

 - more detailed (according to project's review)

 - two 1/4 headphone out (brilliant for testing headphones)

 - better servicable for me (EU)

 

A18

 - better soundstaging (that's significant for me)

 - more "natural"/warm-sounding (could work better with HD800)

 - working for both 110/220v (this is not very important since it's easy to switch this on V200 internally)

Between the 2, the V200 is more 'forward' over the A18 but not in any way 'in your face'. The V200 is dead silent with every headphone, the A18 prefers higher impedance cans. 

 

In the end, I went with the A18 because of its soundstage--The A18 excels marvelously in that aspect. Users who felt the V200 lacked soundstage found the A18 to be the perfect remedy.

post #6493 of 20002
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Matrix M-stage... No seriously, slightly warmer than neutral with nice soundstage. Detail is not up there with the best, but If you can't afford the best.... :D 

 

Has very good synergy with the HD800. And you can easily put it in your bag. (man bag) 

 

If I happen to be extremely short on budget, definitely will try the M-stage :-)

 

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Originally Posted by negura View Post
 

 

Like with anything in audio, it depends on the comparison. I thought the HD650 are quite good until I heard the HD800. :)

 

At its price range the V200 used to be very decent. If one is only going to use it for the HD800s or other neutral headphones it sinergizes well. It doesn't do a lot of justice to Audeze or other warmer headphones.

 

The Soloist is better overall at that budget range, but it's neutral, so yeah. And these are the HD800s. It's not easy.

 

The Taboo is in a higher price and performance class.

 

I can understand the Taboo is better... That said, I was asking about how small the soundstage of V200 and transients are in comparison to good amplifiers. Can you comment on that?

 

Quite a lot of folks talk about great synergy with planar magnetic headphones... On the other hand, your description based on "warmth does not go well with another warmth" makes more sense to me.

 

I would most probably prefer Meier Corda Classic over the Soloist - should be similar soundwise and I can get the Classic much cheaper... Yeah, in my situation, it's also about money. =/

 

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Between the 2, the V200 is more 'forward' over the A18 but not in any way 'in your face'. The V200 is dead silent with every headphone, the A18 prefers higher impedance cans. 

 

In the end, I went with the A18 because of its soundstage--The A18 excels marvelously in that aspect. Users who felt the V200 lacked soundstage found the A18 to be the perfect remedy.

 

That's the problem... I do enjoy HD800 a lot but I also want my amp to perform well with many headphones - I just happen to test headphones and write impressions. I could maybe add HE-500 or K812 to my collection sometime next year and therefore I need an amplifier that is good for the HD800 but still safe enough for other headphones. What do you think? V200. A18 or something else?


Edited by emertxe - 11/18/13 at 10:36am
post #6494 of 20002
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Matrix M-stage... No seriously, slightly warmer than neutral with nice soundstage. Detail is not up there with the best, but If you can't afford the best.... biggrin.gif 

Has very good synergy with the HD800. And you can easily put it in your bag. (man bag) 

If I happen to be extremely short on budget, definitely will try the M-stage :-)
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

 

Like with anything in audio, it depends on the comparison. I thought the HD650 are quite good until I heard the HD800. smily_headphones1.gif

At its price range the V200 used to be very decent. If one is only going to use it for the HD800s or other neutral headphones it sinergizes well. It doesn't do a lot of justice to Audeze or other warmer headphones.

The Soloist is better overall at that budget range, but it's neutral, so yeah. And these are the HD800s. It's not easy.

The Taboo is in a higher price and performance class.

I can understand the Taboo is better... That said, I was asking about how small the soundstage of V200 and transients are in comparison to good amplifiers. Can you comment on that?

Quite a lot of folks talk about great synergy with planar magnetic headphones... On the other hand, your description based on "warmth does not go well with another warmth" makes more sense to me.

I would most probably prefer Meier Corda Classic over the Soloist - should be similar soundwise and I can get the Classic much cheaper... Yeah, in my situation, it's also about money. =/
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Between the 2, the V200 is more 'forward' over the A18 but not in any way 'in your face'. The V200 is dead silent with every headphone, the A18 prefers higher impedance cans. 

In the end, I went with the A18 because of its soundstage--The A18 excels marvelously in that aspect. Users who felt the V200 lacked soundstage found the A18 to be the perfect remedy.

That's the problem... I do enjoy HD800 a lot but I also want my amp to perform well with many headphones - I just happen to test headphones and write impressions. I could maybe add HE-500 or K812 to my collection sometime next year and therefore I need an amplifier that is good for the HD800 but still safe enough for other headphones. What do you think? V200. A18 or something else?
As long as you don't use the A18 with in-ear-monitors, it's dead silent
post #6495 of 20002
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As long as you don't use the A18 with in-ear-monitors, it's dead silent

 

I should add that I prefer to listen at low listening levels... Isnt the A18 too warm for other headphones than HD800 or similar?

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