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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

That would be correct IMO.  I've heard the HD800 and the HE-6 on "tons" of rigs lol..  Yup the HD800s got sold.  They just don't have the weight to the music the planars have.  At times and with some music the HD800s can sound "thin" compared to some planars.  

 

I'll get a TOTL tube amp and another pair of HD800s to see if I can pull it's weight up.  Using the HE-6 on headphone amps is just a wastes of time IMO.  Where the HD800 is tricky and will need the right amp / dac combo.  But get this.  There's lots of good combo's out there for the HD800s.  

 

rawrster said "The HD800 sounds better from less" I think he hit the nail on the head.  You have to be willing to put in more work to get the HE-6 right compared to getting the HD800s right.  The HD800s scales pretty damn good.  However, the HE-6 scales higher.  

I completely disagree here Darryl...sorry :o. But the HD800's do scale higher. From a $600 MAD EAR+HD to a $1000 WA2 to a $2200 WA22 to a $2800 GS-X MK2, the HD800s just kept getting better (just like my DAC upgrades). The HE-6's hit their limit with a good $500 Class A speaker amp (like a good old Pioneer SX)...and no to very minimal improvements with uber-high end speaker amps. Unlike you, I sold my HE-6s and can't ever bare selling my HD-800s. 

 

They couldn't give me the quickness and transparency of the HD800s and were too thin sounding orthos compared to my LCD-3s. Just my 2 cents....


Edited by MacedonianHero - 11/14/13 at 6:49pm
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I completely disagree here Darryl...sorry :o. But the HD800's do scale higher. From a $1000 WA2 to a $2200 WA22 to a $2800 GS-X MK2. The HE-6's hit their limit with a good $500 Class A speaker amp (like a good old Pioneer SX)...and no to very minimal improvements with uber-high end speaker amps. Unlike you, I sold my HE-6s and can't ever bare selling my HD-800s. 

 

They may have hit their limit to your ears.  Not so with my ears and a few other head fi'ers thats been on the very long journey of trying speaker amps of all sorts in many different audio shops.  The HE-6 hit their limit on a good $500 speaker amp?  Peter that's the best joke I've heard all day. :biggrin:  The HE-6 will eat those amps you mentioned for breakfast and still want more.  If the 8K Simaudio MOON 600i is not scaling - I don't know what is.  You have to hear for your self.

 

At times I like the LCD-3 better than the HD800 and at time I like the HD800 better than the LCD-3 - But I like the HE-6 all the time over both.  That's why both got sold.  Hope the EC445 will help the HD800s out and I hope the LCD-X is an improvement over the LCD-3 in certain areas. 


Edited by preproman - 11/14/13 at 6:56pm
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Yeah.. I keep eyeing the Crack w/Speedball.  I almost bought one that was on CAM but it was too close after my WA7 purchase.  Would really like to hear the combo as it 's in my snack bracket.. translate budget. Really enjoying my current setup for now.

 

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Hey MickeyVee...

I recently jumped off the Schiit Train and joined the church of Bottlehead. I just gotta say, the Crack does wonders for the HD800s and it's not just me. You can't beat the price either. Watch the RMAF 2011 video here: http://youtu.be/iRyUOpFt1jI Watch the guys light up when the crack/HD800 combo are mentioned. It was brand new back then too, still priced at $219. Even now at $279 it's still a steal. You can go balanced with the Bottlehead Mainline at $1200, but there's not enough feedback on the amp yet as it's still on the first production run. Exciting times at BH. I'm so pumped about this pairing, I'm willing to build the crack for non-techs who want to try it out (+labour) To boot, I haven't even stuffed in the speedball.
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

They may have hit their limit to your ears.  Not so with my ears and a few other head fi'ers thats been on the very long journey of trying speaker amps of all sorts in many different audio shops.  The HE-6 hit their limit on a good $500 speaker amp?  Peter that's the best joke I've heard all day. :biggrin:  The HE-6 will eat those amps you mentioned for breakfast and still want more.  If the 8K Simaudio i600 is not scaling - I don't know what is.  You have to hear for your self.

 

At times I like the LCD-3 better than the HD800 and at time I like the HD800 better than the LCD-3 - But I like the HE-6 all the time over both.  That's why both got sold.  Hope the EC445 will help the HD800s out and I hope the LCD-X is an improvement over the LCD-3 in certain areas. 

Sorry, I've heard it for myself (and on a 200W top of the line McIntosh amp) and all this MOAR power thing for the HE-6s is really one of the most overblown urban myths around Head-Fi. BTW, some Pioneer SX amps can output more than enough power to blow the drivers and never leave Class A.

 

I agree with your HD800 and LCD-3 comments, I go back and forth depending on what music/mood I'm in. But, I think you'd like the LCD-X as they seem more up your alley. :smile: 


Edited by MacedonianHero - 11/14/13 at 6:59pm
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the ec445 is a new Eddie current amp?

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+1.  It seems that HP's done last longer than 6-8 months for me.  Definitely keeping the HD800 (as well as my Momentum) and if I do get something else, it will be complimentary.. LCD something or TH600/900.

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Originally Posted by DarKen23 View Post


+1 I've never had a problem selling off a headphone after a period of time but thinking about selling my HD800 is scary.. I'll usually sell a hp to have a better one or a different flavor. I don't think I could ever sell the HD800 and If I do get another hp, it'll be an additional hp, not a trade-off.
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

Sorry, I've heard it for myself (and on a 200W top of the line McIntosh amp) and all this MOAR power thing for the HE-6s is really one of the most overblown urban myths around Head-Fi. BTW, some Pioneer SX amps can output more than enough power to blow the drivers and never leave Class A.

 

I agree with your HD800 and LCD-3 comments, I go back and forth depending on what music/mood I'm in. But, I think you'd like the LCD-X as they seem more up your alley. :smile: 

 

It's not about the power baby.  I wish that myth would go by by.  Power is needed - but is has to be "good" power.  

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It's not about the power baby.  I wish that myth would go by by.  Power is needed - but is has to be "good" power.  

Trust me the Pioneer SX950 is fantastic power as is my bro's McIntosh amp (that's fantastic...not good). Speaking of which, please define good power? If the amp can deliver current and voltage and stay in Class A that = good power....just physics (Power = V * I). 

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Well to be frank most speaker amps with the HE-6 will stay in class A.  The HE-6 is not enough to bring most speaker amps out of class A - That's not an issue at all.  

 

I evaluate speaker amps the same way I do with headphone amps.  No different, some are better than others.  Just like headphone amps.  That Pioneer or McIntosh must not have jived.  I don't know.  Sorry you had such a bad time with them, just goes to show you.  The HE-6 takes some time and effort to get right.


Edited by preproman - 11/14/13 at 7:27pm
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Well to be frank any speaker amp with the HE-6 will stay in class A.  The HE-6 is not enough to bring a speaker amp out of class A - That's not an issue at all.  

 

I evaluate speaker amps the same way I do with headphone amps.  No different, some are better than others.  Just like headphone amps.  That Pioneer or McIntosh must not have jived.  I don't know.  Sorry you had such a bad time with them, just goes to show you.  The HE-6 takes some time and effort to get right.

I still don't understand...sorry. Power = voltage x current and if an amp can easily supply them, then the "good power" argument is confusing? If you're talking synergy, then that's something all together different. The McIntosh is a fantastic amp that can easily drive full sized Maggies :eek: and very well reviewed and respected...the HE-6s are certainly no problem. 

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I still don't understand...sorry. Power = voltage x current and if an amp can easily supply them, then the "good power" argument is confusing? If you're talking synergy, then that's something all together different. The McIntosh is a fantastic amp that can easily drive full sized Maggies :eek: and very well reviewed and respected...the HE-6s are certainly no problem. 

 

If synergy is what you want to call it then synergy it is.  I'm sorry but all amp don't use the same power supply nor the same transformers.  That's two ways "your" power augment can be settled.  :cool:

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Sonic aside, one reason why I chose HD800 over HE-6 is that HE-6 always reminds me that I am on headphones listening to music due to its weight/design pressing on my head. On the other hand, HD800 is more capable of "disappearing", making it easier/more believable to transport me to the live performance.

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

If synergy is what you want to call it then synergy it is.  I'm sorry but all amp don't use the same power supply nor the same transformers.  That's two ways "your" power augment can be settled.  :cool:

I'd take the power transformer in a high end McIntosh any day of the week. :o I've heard that amp drive Maggies, Wilsons and high end Focals all with glorious results. 

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Who cares about HE6?? maybe people on the HE6 thread? ;) Sorry i could not resist. Maybe you guys should try it the old fashioned way

 

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McIntosh is overrated and over priced IMO! redface.gif
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