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Originally Posted by roskodan View Post
 

i was referring to rca and xlr out on the same device, go ask the manufacturers

[Sarcasm alert]

Oh, you mean the people selling the gear? Yeah...that's not biased information is it? :tongue:

 

However, there are some devices purposefully made to sound different between the two, but they are few in number.

post #6242 of 15434
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Originally Posted by roskodan View Post
 

i was referring to rca and xlr out on the same device, go ask the manufacturers

 

:confused_face(1): A blanket statement like that is absolutely ridiculous. A native balanced source doesn't always sound analytic. The sound is completely dependent on the individual component. I've had plenty of amps and dacs that sound equally good no matter whether it is RCA (SE) or XLR (balanced). I've also had amps/dacs that have had better sounding RCA outs, and some better XLR outs. This should totally depend on the quality of the connectors/innards and the overall design. Not because one is balanced and the other single-ended. 

post #6243 of 15434

ofc (not O.F.C) almost always electronically balanced xlr are double the output V, dBu of the rca on the same device

 

therefor as most amps do have in my experience a softer sound with a lower signal at the input, and i listened to quite a few setups, i feel that way

 

not to talk about thd noise and distortion, we go all night about that

 

back on topic, hd800 are really analytical themselves or not, how do you feel about them compared to other cans :wink_face:

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Wa2!!!
post #6245 of 15434
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post
 

 

Im anxious to hear what you think. When I compared the Mainline and Crack (w/Speedball) side by side, I preferred the Crack. It was just a little warmer and more musical sounding to my ears.

 

Thanks for the reply palmfish!  Yeah - given Purrin's postings and graphs (mainly elsewhere) regarding how the hd800's can arguably benefit from higher output impedance amps (including vintage receivers) due to the 100hz spike in their impedance curve, it should make for some very interesting comparative listening once I finish off the mainline.  Add in some of Tyll's commentary on room response and bass perception (see, e.g. http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/i-love-these-headphonesthe-nad-viso-hp50 ), and interesting questions emerge regarding what headphone bass should sound like if we're trying to emulate live acoustic music.

 

I expect to love the mainline with my hd800's (as well as with the AD's I just ordered) and look forward to reporting back on the pairing.  Relative to the crack, other builders have posted high praise for its effortless transients and tight, impactful bass.  Can't wait to hear it for myself.  


Edited by skeptic - 11/12/13 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

Wa2!!!

wat.  that's a water machine at my work, i tried plugging it in and it broke.

post #6247 of 15434
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Originally Posted by Arcamera View Post
 

I think she meant: go with the WA2! (I'm sure happy with it right now).

I have one myself - love the thing

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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post

Thanks for the reply palmfish!  Yeah - given Purrin's postings and graphs (mainly elsewhere) regarding how the hd800's can arguably benefit from higher output impedance amps (including vintage receivers) due to the 100hz spike in their impedance curve, it should make for some very interesting comparative listening once I finish off the mainline.  Add in some of Tyll's commentary on room response and bass perception (see, e.g. http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/i-love-these-headphonesthe-nad-viso-hp50 ), and interesting questions emerge regarding what headphone bass should sound like if we're trying to emulate live acoustic music.

I expect to love the mainline with my hd800's (as well as with the AD's I just ordered) and look forward to reporting back on the pairing.  Relative to the crack, other builders have posted high praise for its effortless transients and tight, impactful bass.  Can't wait to hear it for myself.  

Thanks for the link, I really appreciate it! I didnt know Sean Olive was doing headphone research, but Im sure that whatever the results of his research should/will become the new standard for headphone design. I have Floyd Tooles book and have read it and referenced it many times over the years - the future of headphones is in good hands! Bass is definitely a big part of it, but I dont think headphones will ever be able to recreate the sound of speakers (or a live performance) simply because of the lack of delays, reflections, dopplar effect, etc. but i am sure that any headphone that is designed using Mr. Olives findings will be something very special indeed.
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Thanks for the link, I really appreciate it!....

 

My pleasure!  I wasn't familiar with the authorities Tyll referenced, but conceptually, the discussion struck me as being right on.  Is this the book by Toole that you were referencing?  http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Reproduction-Acoustics-Psychoacoustics-Loudspeakers/dp/0240520092

 

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Originally Posted by roskodan View Post
 

no i'm not, this is a fact

 

Please cite some concrete sources if you aren't intentionally trolling at this point.  You suggested that we "go ask the manufacturers," so I will refer you to the explanation by PJ at Bottlehead in post 9 of this thread: http://www.bottlehead.com/smf/index.php?topic=2362.0  You might also google and read the wiki articles on balanced lines, balanced audio and push pull amplifiers.   

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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

Wa2!!!

 

omigosh.

 

I was thinking of getting the Yulong but am afraid i might lust after the WA2 once i've gotten it. problem is the WA2 is slightly overpriced where i live. But if it can stop me from constant upgrading that could be a plus!

post #6251 of 15434
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Originally Posted by Wil View Post
 

 

omigosh.

 

I was thinking of getting the Yulong but am afraid i might lust after the WA2 once i've gotten it. problem is the WA2 is slightly overpriced where i live. But if it can stop me from constant upgrading that could be a plus!

Better add tube rolling costs into it then 

post #6252 of 15434
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

Better add tube rolling costs into it then 

 

Having owned numerous tube amps, i know :wink_face:

post #6253 of 15434
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post
 

my hd800s are taking ages to get to me. Delivery delays!>..............


i see it won't be hard for you to kill some time... wa2 t1 hd650... and soon hd800... you can't go wrong with that one

post #6254 of 15434
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Originally Posted by Wil View Post
 

 

Having owned numerous tube amps, i know :wink_face:

Getting a custom OTL built soon for HD800. Well its not exactly proper custom because its based on someone else's custom OTL but yea...... cannot wait till next January. 

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Originally Posted by bearFNF View Post
 

I love my HD800...just sayin'...:ph34r:

I love mine even more now that it is 6 degrees and snowing!

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