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post #6226 of 24334
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Originally Posted by roskodan View Post
 

especially if one is gonna use it (violectric v800 dac & v200 amp) with grados, lcd2s and hd800, but ofc in south east asia sure there are a lot of various flavors to choose from, the violectric setup would be more of a all in one, one for all solution, get 3 birds with one shot, but don't ask for esoteric magic, it's a correct and serious setup

noticed too, tend to smooth out when burned in comparing to when new out of the box, same with beyer t1, even shure se530

 

The Violectric is another option...i've since sold my Grados and LCD2 (decided to keep just the HD800), but there are quite a few reports on the forum that the V200 + HD800 pairing is not too shabby indeed.

 

Options...so many options...

post #6227 of 24334
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Originally Posted by Dopaminer View Post
 

I listened to the hd800s on the PanAm at the Tokyo show and was blown away by how good that little thing is...   

I recently got the Andix HPA 45 tube dac/amp and it sounds as good/ better than anything I`ve heard the hd800s on, and I`ve auditioned a lot of amps, including the Luxman p700 and p1, as well as the Senn amps.   I don`t know if Andix is up for mail orders yet (there website looks like it`s from the first minutes of the internet), but in any event I recommend focusing on tubes.  I haven`t heard the Violectric amps but they sure have a great rep here on Headfi...

 

BTW are your hd800s burned in?  Mine started to really blow my mind around the 150 hour mark. . . 

 

I returned to the PanAm after sometime with the Lehmann / HD800 and was surprised at how much more slam it had in the mid bass as compared to the Lehmann. The Lehmann just sounded lifeless.

 

The Andix looks awesome...but the ordering process looks quite onerous indeed.

post #6228 of 24334
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Originally Posted by Wil View Post
 
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Originally Posted by roskodan View Post
 

especially if one is gonna use it (violectric v800 dac & v200 amp) with grados, lcd2s and hd800, but ofc in south east asia sure there are a lot of various flavors to choose from, the violectric setup would be more of a all in one, one for all solution, get 3 birds with one shot, but don't ask for esoteric magic, it's a correct and serious setup

noticed too, tend to smooth out when burned in comparing to when new out of the box, same with beyer t1, even shure se530

 

The Violectric is another option...i've since sold my Grados and LCD2 (decided to keep just the HD800), but there are quite a few reports on the forum that the V200 + HD800 pairing is not too shabby indeed.

 

Options...so many options...


it that case for the hd800, go wild trying gear cos they really transform from setup to setup

post #6229 of 24334

 

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Originally Posted by Wil View Post
 

Hey all,

 

The Grado and Audeze are long gone i am afraid (Traded the Audeze for a UM Miracle - Those things sound, IMO, very much like the LCD-2!!!! They sound fantastic via the Pan AM).

 

if you plan to use iem-s at desktop than the violectric gear imo is among the best for the job

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Originally Posted by Wil View Post
 

I forgot to mention that my source is the Teac UD501. No qualms with my DAC at the moment, it's (imo) even more detailed and smoother than the EE Minimax that i used to have.

 

compared a hi-res cambridge dac to violectric v800 and AH! Njoe Tjoeb 4000 CD player, A/b-ing, and the and the sound was so much different between all of them, on some bad ass preamp, 60w calss a ss amp and opera prima speakers, after that i'm questioning amp matching other than for power quantity

 

the cambridge being strident, the Ah! had some upgrade tube i think, and was very balanced and detailed, neutral warm and crystal transparent, awesome, the v800 being being a notch more warm and transparent and natural imo

 

    

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Originally Posted by Wil View Post

 

Perhaps something with a balanced connection will do the trick.

 

As much as i love my tubes ( I run a Sun Audio 2A3 and Almarro 318Bn in my speaker rig), i'm, purely based on a gut feeling, leaning towards the Yulong A18 (i've seen it described numerous times on the forum as being musical and warm).

 

balance sources tend to be more analytic

 

and an audiophile and musician, that came by my place recently, said the hd800 on the Yulong where much more bright, unnatural, than on the violectric, which i think is more neutral than really warm, so... but he had a 5k$ sacd player as source so maybe that was the cause to the "excessive" brightness

 

anyway i just wanted to point that i found that sources made  the "sound", amps and preamps if correct where just muscles without coloration (if you do not compare extremes like tube vs ic-s, so to speak) ofc this is a little extreme since nothing sounds the same same, but you get the point i hope

post #6230 of 24334
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Originally Posted by roskodan View Post
 

 

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if you plan to use iem-s at desktop than the violectric gear imo is among the best for the job

 

compared a hi-res cambridge dac to violectric v800 and AH! Njoe Tjoeb 4000 CD player, A/b-ing, and the and the sound was so much different between all of them, on some bad ass preamp, 60w calss a ss amp and opera prima speakers, after that i'm questioning amp matching other than for power quantity

 

the cambridge being strident, the Ah! had some upgrade tube i think, and was very balanced and detailed, neutral warm and crystal transparent, awesome, the v800 being being a notch more warm and transparent and natural imo

 

    

balance sources tend to be more analytic

 

and an audiophile and musician, that came by my place recently, said the hd800 on the Yulong where much more bright, unnatural, than on the violectric, which i think is more neutral than really warm, so... but he had a 5k$ sacd player as source so maybe that was the cause to the "excessive" brightness

 

anyway i just wanted to point that i found that sources made  the "sound", amps and preamps if correct where just muscles without coloration (if you do not compare extremes like tube vs ic-s, so to speak) ofc this is a little extreme since nothing sounds the same same, but you get the point i hope

 

I'm sorry but how the hell did you arrive at this conclusion? 

post #6231 of 24334

i was referring to rca and xlr out on the same device, go ask the manufacturers

post #6232 of 24334
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Originally Posted by roskodan View Post
 

i was referring to rca and xlr out on the same device, go ask the manufacturers

[Sarcasm alert]

Oh, you mean the people selling the gear? Yeah...that's not biased information is it? :tongue:

 

However, there are some devices purposefully made to sound different between the two, but they are few in number.

post #6233 of 24334
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Originally Posted by roskodan View Post
 

i was referring to rca and xlr out on the same device, go ask the manufacturers

 

:confused_face(1): A blanket statement like that is absolutely ridiculous. A native balanced source doesn't always sound analytic. The sound is completely dependent on the individual component. I've had plenty of amps and dacs that sound equally good no matter whether it is RCA (SE) or XLR (balanced). I've also had amps/dacs that have had better sounding RCA outs, and some better XLR outs. This should totally depend on the quality of the connectors/innards and the overall design. Not because one is balanced and the other single-ended. 

post #6234 of 24334

ofc (not O.F.C) almost always electronically balanced xlr are double the output V, dBu of the rca on the same device

 

therefor as most amps do have in my experience a softer sound with a lower signal at the input, and i listened to quite a few setups, i feel that way

 

not to talk about thd noise and distortion, we go all night about that

 

back on topic, hd800 are really analytical themselves or not, how do you feel about them compared to other cans :wink_face:

post #6235 of 24334
Wa2!!!
post #6236 of 24334
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post
 

 

Im anxious to hear what you think. When I compared the Mainline and Crack (w/Speedball) side by side, I preferred the Crack. It was just a little warmer and more musical sounding to my ears.

 

Thanks for the reply palmfish!  Yeah - given Purrin's postings and graphs (mainly elsewhere) regarding how the hd800's can arguably benefit from higher output impedance amps (including vintage receivers) due to the 100hz spike in their impedance curve, it should make for some very interesting comparative listening once I finish off the mainline.  Add in some of Tyll's commentary on room response and bass perception (see, e.g. http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/i-love-these-headphonesthe-nad-viso-hp50 ), and interesting questions emerge regarding what headphone bass should sound like if we're trying to emulate live acoustic music.

 

I expect to love the mainline with my hd800's (as well as with the AD's I just ordered) and look forward to reporting back on the pairing.  Relative to the crack, other builders have posted high praise for its effortless transients and tight, impactful bass.  Can't wait to hear it for myself.  


Edited by skeptic - 11/12/13 at 3:20pm
post #6237 of 24334
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

Wa2!!!

wat.  that's a water machine at my work, i tried plugging it in and it broke.

post #6238 of 24334
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Originally Posted by Arcamera View Post
 

I think she meant: go with the WA2! (I'm sure happy with it right now).

I have one myself - love the thing

post #6239 of 24334
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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post

Thanks for the reply palmfish!  Yeah - given Purrin's postings and graphs (mainly elsewhere) regarding how the hd800's can arguably benefit from higher output impedance amps (including vintage receivers) due to the 100hz spike in their impedance curve, it should make for some very interesting comparative listening once I finish off the mainline.  Add in some of Tyll's commentary on room response and bass perception (see, e.g. http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/i-love-these-headphonesthe-nad-viso-hp50 ), and interesting questions emerge regarding what headphone bass should sound like if we're trying to emulate live acoustic music.

I expect to love the mainline with my hd800's (as well as with the AD's I just ordered) and look forward to reporting back on the pairing.  Relative to the crack, other builders have posted high praise for its effortless transients and tight, impactful bass.  Can't wait to hear it for myself.  

Thanks for the link, I really appreciate it! I didnt know Sean Olive was doing headphone research, but Im sure that whatever the results of his research should/will become the new standard for headphone design. I have Floyd Tooles book and have read it and referenced it many times over the years - the future of headphones is in good hands! Bass is definitely a big part of it, but I dont think headphones will ever be able to recreate the sound of speakers (or a live performance) simply because of the lack of delays, reflections, dopplar effect, etc. but i am sure that any headphone that is designed using Mr. Olives findings will be something very special indeed.
post #6240 of 24334
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Thanks for the link, I really appreciate it!....

 

My pleasure!  I wasn't familiar with the authorities Tyll referenced, but conceptually, the discussion struck me as being right on.  Is this the book by Toole that you were referencing?  http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Reproduction-Acoustics-Psychoacoustics-Loudspeakers/dp/0240520092

 

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Originally Posted by roskodan View Post
 

no i'm not, this is a fact

 

Please cite some concrete sources if you aren't intentionally trolling at this point.  You suggested that we "go ask the manufacturers," so I will refer you to the explanation by PJ at Bottlehead in post 9 of this thread: http://www.bottlehead.com/smf/index.php?topic=2362.0  You might also google and read the wiki articles on balanced lines, balanced audio and push pull amplifiers.   

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