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Well then, what would be the Schiit stack equivalent for the HD800? Which amps and dacs around $1000-1500 have great synergy together with the Sennheiser?

 

Well if price is an object it's going to be really hard to beat anything Schiit puts out.  

 

Yeah, but no point in saving money when it's going to lack bass. I meant priced each. Say up to $2000 each for an amp and dac, what gives a great sound out of the HD800? Is there a major quality lost compared to really expensive equipment?

 

I'm trying to get a list of good pairings but reading this thread I see great amps and dacs pairings mentioned sporadically.


Edited by Devarika Woulf - 3/7/13 at 5:42am
post #617 of 24370
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Yeah, but no point in saving money when it's going to lack bass. I meant priced each. Say up to $2000 each for an amp and dac, what gives a great sound out of the HD800? Is there a major quality lost compared to really expensive equipment?

I'm trying to get a list of good pairings but reading this thread I see great amps and dacs pairings mentioned sporadically.

Your signature says you have a V200. Is that a Violectric V200? If so, then you already have an excellent headphone amp.
post #618 of 24370
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Originally Posted by Deverica Wolf View Post

 

Yeah, but no point in saving money when it's going to lack bass. I meant priced each. Say up to $2000 each for an amp and dac, what gives a great sound out of the HD800? Is there a major quality lost compared to really expensive equipment?

 

I'm trying to get a list of good pairings but reading this thread I see great amps and dacs pairings mentioned sporadically.

 

That's because it's a lot to pick from.  Also ones preference comes into play.  For me the PWD2, Buffalo III and the M51 (DACS) have worked pretty well on all amps I've tried them on so far. As far as amps goes.  I think I'm entering into the rabbit hole right now.  The search is still on.

 

Right now I enjoy the HD800s out of my B22 and M^3.  The GS-X is coming (soon).  I was also thinking about a tube amp (EC 2A3 or DNA Stratus).  Other amps are coming out as well ie.. Schiit Statement, CA LAu.  Also building the SuperSymmetry balanced Dynahi is still on the books.

post #619 of 24370
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Originally Posted by Deverica Wolf View Post

 

Yeah, but no point in saving money when it's going to lack bass. I meant priced each. Say up to $2000 each for an amp and dac, what gives a great sound out of the HD800? Is there a major quality lost compared to really expensive equipment?

 

I'm trying to get a list of good pairings but reading this thread I see great amps and dacs pairings mentioned sporadically.

 

My HD800's sound stunning out of my Audio-gd NFB-7 DAC and Master-6 amp and they are not even running balanced yet biggrin.gif

 

And that's with rock and metal, which is supposed to be it's weak genre's.

post #620 of 24370
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Originally Posted by Deverica Wolf View Post

 

Well then, what would be the Schiit stack equivalent for the HD800? Which amps and dacs around $1000-1500 have great synergy together with the Sennheiser?

 

Well if price is an object it's going to be really hard to beat anything Schiit puts out.  

 

Yeah, but no point in saving money when it's going to lack bass. I meant priced each. Say up to $2000 each for an amp and dac, what gives a great sound out of the HD800? Is there a major quality lost compared to really expensive equipment?

 

I'm trying to get a list of good pairings but reading this thread I see great amps and dacs pairings mentioned sporadically.

Really happy with Decware for the amp. The CSP2+ is a great HD800 amp and the new Taboo MK III is another great choice. For me the Wyred 4 Sound DAC-2 has good solid bass.

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Your signature says you have a V200. Is that a Violectric V200? If so, then you already have an excellent headphone amp.

 

Yes it is. I am just learning that it is good with the HD800. I had figured it wasn't expensive enough but that was wrong.

 

Thank you for all your suggestions. I am always looking at people's signatures, seeing which amp and dac they use together, and that helps me a lot, and this will too. I will have to look, pick and choose should I get an HD800. My LCD-2 R.2 is lovely but the cramped soundstage is getting to me...thinking about something different. Am looking at an LCD-3 too but all this recent thrashing compared to the Sennheiser has discouraged me a little, along with the newly positive opinions on the 800's bass. I will have to think but maybe it's time to - wait for it - join the HD800 club. biggrin.gif

 

The signature I prefer is analogue and on the warmer side...HD800 is not known for being warm. My best bet would be to sell my LCD-2, get the HD800, and if the Rega is no good for it, sell it and purchase a different dac, something that would pair well with another amp should I upgrade my V200 to something better. I will be following this thread and seeing how new equipment like the X-Sabre and GS-X pairs. I think I am getting a better understanding of this crazy headphone game.

post #622 of 24370
I found the Schiit stack ultimately inadequate for the HD800. Bass however, is one of that combo's main strengths.

The Gungnir is the bottleneck in that chain. It has a slight etch in the upper registers and lacks finesse in terms of dynamics. Couple that with the energetic Mjolnir and you have a Grado-like illusion that impresses on initial listen but grating in the long haul.

The Mjolnir is quite adequate for the HD800 IMO. Reports of stridency are off the mark. Rolling DACs has confirmed that it is quite transparent and any issues with presentation can be remedied by addressing upstream components.
Edited by olor1n - 3/7/13 at 8:26am
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There may not be "poor" DACs per se, but there are many better DACs that opens up potential on the headphone end. Further, power isn't everything to amps. And synergy is another factor.

 

I agree with your second point, but the problem here is, you're spending money on $2000 headphones that will give you great diminishing returns, and in the end, your audio chain is going to put out worse sound than if you were to spread that extra $1000 out into your other gear. Why would you intentionally bottleneck yourself when you can have $1000 cans that are only minimally inferior to $2000 cans, and drive that to its [near]maximum potential?

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I agree with you mostly, but I don't believe that there are many "poor DACs" out there. If you research and shop wisely, you can find a number of DACs that decode accurately and "do no harm" that are very affordable. Same with amps - well engineered and sufficiently powerful amps dont have to cost a lot.

 

I think the law of diminishing returns applies to upstream gear to a much greater degree than it does to headphones. That's my point in a nutshell.

post #624 of 24370
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Originally Posted by Deverica Wolf View Post

 

Yeah, but no point in saving money when it's going to lack bass. I meant priced each. Say up to $2000 each for an amp and dac, what gives a great sound out of the HD800? Is there a major quality lost compared to really expensive equipment?

 

I'm trying to get a list of good pairings but reading this thread I see great amps and dacs pairings mentioned sporadically.


I am thinking of selling my Sonett and/or my SPL Phonitor -- both excellent parings with the HD800. If anyone is interested PM me.

post #625 of 24370

I'm not to much of a fan of the Mjolnir/HD800 with any of the DACs I heard.  

 

The amp is just to forward for me.  IMO it's best with LCDs.  Also IMO the HD800 needs a more musical amp that's not so forward.  I hear the Soloist and V200 is like this.  I know the B22 and the M^3 is.  The BHA-1 sits right in the middle.  Still have to hear the GS-X v2. 


Edited by preproman - 3/7/13 at 10:09am
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I have found the Schiit stack to be very fun with the HD800 even. The forwardness should be too much, but somehow I find

the HD800's just sound exceptional.

 

Switching in the M51 for Gungnir brings much more coherence and clarity while being smoother and more balanced.

NAD retains a certain musicality I've come to really enjoy.

 

Comparatively the Gungnir is the cause of fatigue (grating) overall.

 

One of the other DACs I've been using has been the W4S which is the complete opposite in synergy.

Very cold and lifeless sounding.

 

Makes for a hard choice, upgrade to the NAD or hold out a little while longer.

 

olo1n, you were right, the firmware made quite the difference.

 

Eats crow. Me so hungry, preproman.

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para - would you say that switching in the nad for the lcd-3 will have the same effect as you say it does with the HD800? i find the gungnir great, has a tremedous amount of kick and bite, but the high-end with some music can be as you say 'grating'. the highs don't sound bad per se, but they are very hard sounding and can lead to fatigue even with the lcd-3. i'm just afraid switching in a smoother dac will take away the kick and dynamics that i enjoy with the schiit stack. highs aside, the combo is amazing for me.

post #628 of 24370
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para - would you say that switching in the nad for the lcd-3 will have the same effect as you say it does with the HD800? i find the gungnir great, has a tremedous amount of kick and bite, but the high-end with some music can be as you say 'grating'. the highs don't sound bad per se, but they are very hard sounding and can lead to fatigue even with the lcd-3. i'm just afraid switching in a smoother dac will take away the kick and dynamics that i enjoy with the schiit stack. highs aside, the combo is amazing for me.

I'd surmise the difference would be less (considering the 800's more resolving), but in short, yes.

 

I have been reluctant to switch to the LCD-3 because I'm honeymooning and all. But the NAD is a loaner and shouldn't be terribly hard to try again.

 

I think Gungnir's greatest strength is a strong bottom end. Preference vary and all but Gungnir is still very good.

 

With that said, the NAD is not bass light per se. It's not as heavy, but still very good. 

 

I do not find however, NAD to be on the PWD level and I still find it a poor value.


Edited by paradoxper - 3/7/13 at 10:48am
post #629 of 24370
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Yes it is. I am just learning that it is good with the HD800. I had figured it wasn't expensive enough but that was wrong.

Thank you for all your suggestions. I am always looking at people's signatures, seeing which amp and dac they use together, and that helps me a lot, and this will too. I will have to look, pick and choose should I get an HD800. My LCD-2 R.2 is lovely but the cramped soundstage is getting to me...thinking about something different. Am looking at an LCD-3 too but all this recent thrashing compared to the Sennheiser has discouraged me a little, along with the newly positive opinions on the 800's bass. I will have to think but maybe it's time to - wait for it - join the HD800 club. biggrin.gif

The signature I prefer is analogue and on the warmer side...HD800 is not known for being warm. My best bet would be to sell my LCD-2, get the HD800, and if the Rega is no good for it, sell it and purchase a different dac, something that would pair well with another amp should I upgrade my V200 to something better. I will be following this thread and seeing how new equipment like the X-Sabre and GS-X pairs. I think I am getting a better understanding of this crazy headphone game.

In my opinion, if you prefer a warmer analog sound, then you should choose a warm-tilted headphone. Buying a headphone of a different type and then trying to "change it" with upstream electronics is like putting the carrot before the horse - you'll just go around and around in circles never ontaining what youre looking for.

This is what im talking about. Short of getting a tube amp or a SS amp with distortion "engineered in", why not just get a headphone that meets your needs and pair it with your excellent V200?
post #630 of 24370

It's not easy to find a headphone that meets all your needs without it being properly driven. DACs would play a role as well, in curving the sound to his preference, not only FR wise.

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In my opinion, if you prefer a warmer analog sound, then you should choose a warm-tilted headphone. Buying a headphone of a different type and then trying to "change it" with upstream electronics is like putting the carrot before the horse - you'll just go around and around in circles never ontaining what youre looking for.

This is what im talking about. Short of getting a tube amp or a SS amp with distortion "engineered in", why not just get a headphone that meets your needs and pair it with your excellent V200?

Edited by Girls Generation - 3/7/13 at 11:02am
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