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Well, we have no control over how the sound goes in - that's done in the recording studio. The most control we wield over what we hear is through the headphones we choose (and EQ).

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What goes in is also how the DAC performs...

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Well, we have no control over how the sound goes in - that's done in the recording studio. The most control we wield over what we hear is through the headphones we choose (and EQ).

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Well, we have no control over how the sound goes in - that's done in the recording studio. The most control we wield over what we hear is through the headphones we choose (and EQ).

But upstream gear does affect what happened in the recording studio! Poor DACs can really cloud things and amps that don't have a grasp of the drivers (and in a linear fashion) can impart their own characteristics on what happened in the studio.

 

Back to your "where the wheels hit the road", I agree that the transducers are the most important part of the chain, but the amp (and the ability to move and control those drivers) and the dac/source are also key parts of the chain. 

post #604 of 15905

The key is to decide what you want out of it , set what your budget is, and balance the components of your rig accordingly.

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BournePerfect,

Would you say it's a pretty decent jump from your C2-SA to the Zana Deux SE with the HD800 synergy-wise?  The C2-SA should at least be somewhat similar in signature to my SA-31.  I'm not dissatisfied with my current setup but I can't help but be curious of what these things are really capable of.  Of course at that price range I'd probably go for something like the DNA Stratus.  Maybe a Sonett 2 is more realistic for my future budget though.

Sorry I believe I got rid of the C2 SA around the same time I bought my first pair off HD800s, so I never got to hear that pairing. OTOH I REALLY REALLY wanted to hear that pairing because I thought it would be sublime. A very musical and smooth amp with great detail and black background. Not the most neutral amp per se, but I always felt it would pair really well with the Senn. In fact it's still the best ss amp I've heard for under a grand. It was by far the absolute best I ever heard with both the AD2000 and the T1, thanks to it's high current and voltage output for an ss amp. In fact I still miss it, and would probably snatch it up in a second if possible. I'm sure it wouldn't reach the Zana's level of performance, but I still consider it the biggest bang for the buck product I've had in this hobby. Too bad Kingwa discontinued it before it ever really got started. That said, I've often wondered how your SA amp compares to it...

-Daniel

edit: Jwahl I just realized you're the guy I sold my SA-1 dac to. Gotta admit I'm a big fan of Kingwa's SA series products! My old Reference 9/C-2 SA combo still haunts me from time to time as that was the most 'musical' rig I've ever heard in my life when paired with an AD2K...
Edited by BournePerfect - 3/6/13 at 8:27pm
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Sorry I believe I got rid of the C2 SA around the same time I bought my first pair off HD800s, so I never got to hear that pairing. OTOH I REALLY REALLY wanted to hear that pairing because I thought it would be sublime. A very musical and smooth amp with great detail and black background. Not the most neutral amp per se, but I always felt it would pair really well with the Senn. In fact it's still the best ss amp I've heard for under a grand. It was by far the absolute best I ever heard with both the AD2000 and the T1, thanks to it's high current and voltage output for an ss amp. In fact I still miss it, and would probably snatch it up in a second if possible. I'm sure it wouldn't reach the Zana's level of performance, but I still consider it the biggest bang for the buck product I've had in this hobby. Too bad Kingwa discontinued it before it ever really got started. That said, I've often wondered how your SA amp compares to it...

-Daniel

Hmmm, If I ever get another amp to use the down the road I could probably do a loaner to you of my SA-31 to get some exposure for it.  Your opinion and experience probably carries a little more weight here than mine.  Though it's good to hear at least I'm probably not crazy for thinking I hear a good synergy with the HD-800.  Especially since I paid all of $400 for it used.

post #607 of 15905
Jwahl check my last edit...


Also, synergy counts for everything in my book. I still miss my old SA rig if for no other reason than it let me focus on the music more than anything, and sublimely toe-tapping at that. I've actually been debating a highend ss amp for a while, and must admit I'd probably lean towards the SA-31 more than the Master 8 (price not a concern either) since I feel it might be more synergistic with the HD 800 although surely not as revealing I'd imagine.

I should add that I felt the C2 SA wasn't the last word in bass impact, but the Reference 9 balanced that out at the time with it's abundant bass qualities imo...do you feel the SA 31 has adequate bass impact with the Senn? That would be my only concern, not knowing that amp's strengths.

-Daniel
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Jwahl check my last edit...


Also, synergy counts for everything in my book. I still miss my old SA rig if for no other reason than it let me focus on the music more than anything, and sublimely toe-tapping at that. I've actually been debating a highend ss amp for a while, and must admit I'd probably lean towards the SA-31 more than the Master 8 (price not a concern either) since I feel it might be more synergistic with the HD 800 although surely not as revealing I'd imagine.

I should add that I felt the C2 SA wasn't the last word in bass impact, but the Reference 9 balanced that out at the time with it's abundant bass qualities imo...do you feel the SA 31 has adequate bass impact with the Senn? That would be my only concern, not knowing that amp's strengths.

-Daniel

 

Ah, yes.  I should have specified I was the one who bought your SA-1.  Though I eventually sold it and my HE-6 when I had to scrap my setup at the time for financial reasons.  I've been slowly building back up now.  Well given that I haven't heard this HD-800 with any other gear I feel the bass is pretty satisfying.  There are some tracks where maybe I could use slightly more low bass impact but It's not enough to feel like it's detracting from the music.  

 

It's certainly more and better quality bass than the AD2000X.  The Concero i'm using now is on paper, essentially a high end usb converter married to an all-in-one "DAC on chip" as in the output stage is in the actual DAC chip itself.  Despite that, it's sound is surprisingly high quality for what it is and the upsampling filter options are a nice touch.  And I like that when I decide to get another DAC, I can retain it as a USB converter and use the upsampling filters inline to the other DAC.

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What are your genre and sound characteristic preferences?

 

 

Just ordered the HD800 new, will be receiving next week. I never liked the HD800 whenever I tried them at meets or at the local headphone shop. Maybe I'll think different if I give them a good go at home, just like with the LCD3.

You might not like the HD800 as much as LCD3 on gung/mjoln; but the HD800 is the better headphone with the proper equipment in my opinion

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I believe the complete opposite.

 

The transducer is the most important link in the audio chain.

 

This comes down to the transducer in question.  The LCD-2/3 change depending on up stream gear but still sound like LCDs at the end of the day.  They just aren't hard loads and don't scale very well.  The HD800 is a whole other animal.  It sound wildly different with different upstream gear and scales very high.  It's the reason people who like the LCD series don't tend to hate it on everything and then eureka.  And vice versa the HD800 is disliked by a ton of people until they hear it a something that gels well with it and then... eureka ;)

 

Case and point I've liked the LCD-2 Rev1, Rev2 and LCD-3 on pretty much everything using gear to fine tune.  I hated my first two pairs of HD800 on the rigs I had at the time.  Love this one.  Value wise the rigs aren't that far apart, certainly miles from $1000 point, but only this rig makes the HD800 something I would use.  Correction, I love it and the LCDs are gone.  Something I never would even considered on the other two rigs.

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You might not like the HD800 as much as LCD3 on gung/mjoln; but the HD800 is the better headphone with the proper equipment in my opinion

 

+1. I heard that combo with my HD800 and thought it lacked bass. On the other hand, I also heard LCD2 out of that rig and actually preferred it, and I am no fan of Audezee presentation.

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+1. I heard that combo with my HD800 and thought it lacked bass. On the other hand, I also heard LCD2 out of that rig and actually preferred it, and I am no fan of Audezee presentation.

 

Agreed ..wink_face.gif

 

I'm no fan of the M/G stack - unless a LCD is at the other end..biggrin.gif

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But upstream gear does affect what happened in the recording studio! Poor DACs can really cloud things and amps that don't have a grasp of the drivers (and in a linear fashion) can impart their own characteristics on what happened in the studio.

 

Back to your "where the wheels hit the road", I agree that the transducers are the most important part of the chain, but the amp (and the ability to move and control those drivers) and the dac/source are also key parts of the chain. 


I agree with you mostly, but I don't believe that there are many "poor DACs" out there. If you research and shop wisely, you can find a number of DACs that decode accurately and "do no harm" that are very affordable. Same with amps - well engineered and sufficiently powerful amps dont have to cost a lot.

 

I think the law of diminishing returns applies to upstream gear to a much greater degree than it does to headphones. That's my point in a nutshell.

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I think the law of diminishing returns applies to upstream gear to a much greater degree than it does to headphones. That's my point in a nutshell.

Agree. That's where I'm at too.
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Originally Posted by Cante Ista View Post

+1. I heard that combo with my HD800 and thought it lacked bass. On the other hand, I also heard LCD2 out of that rig and actually preferred it, and I am no fan of Audezee presentation.

 

Agreed ..wink_face.gif

 

I'm no fan of the M/G stack - unless a LCD is at the other end..biggrin.gif

 

Well then, what would be the Schiit stack equivalent for the HD800? Which amps and dacs around $1000-1500 have great synergy together with the Sennheiser?

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