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post #5971 of 12142

Why don't you try the Apex Teton? If it sounds like my Pinnacle, it's a superb match for the 800s. (I never heard the Teton, but I think it's basically a single-ended-only of a Pinnacle. Don't quote me on that, it's just speculation.)

post #5972 of 12142
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Hmm.. well, lets agree to disagree? What I said was my opinion nothing more nothing less. In my experience tubes vs ss - dynamics and soundstage are superior. I agree the quality of PS is very important as a foundation, but past that - tubes seem to have the upper hand in my experience. I can't imagine how one would gauge "all other things being equal" when testing products from multiple companies. That statement just doesn't jive. Now, I'm sure it is possible to have an SS amp sound more dynamic than a tube amp if you are comparing a low or mid-end tube amp versus a high-end ss amp. That comparison obviously wouldn't be fair. Also, as I said original, there are always exceptions and that is why I wrote it was a generalization - because I find my GS-X mk2 to sound very dynamic in comparison to other lesser tube amps I've had and heard.

 

 

Agreed, which just proves the point I was trying to make.

There are far too many variables when comparing amps to say that it's purely a tube vs solid state issue.

It's like saying SS amps are always faster than tube amps which I know is not always true.

 

But we digress from the topic of this thread.  :D

post #5973 of 12142

I asked Greed to explain what he meant by dynamics.  I understand more where he's coming from now.  By listening to speakers from speaker amps are more of a tell,tell when dynamics come into play IMO..  

 

Hell, my F1J has a very large dynamics range.  It handles these swings better than any headphone amp I've ever heard.  As far as tube headphone amps goes I only went as high as a Single Power Extreme and a Woo WA22, and a few lower end ones.

 

However, I've heard lots of tube speaker amps.  In my experience the SS speaker amps wins in that area more times than not.  

 

And yup - your DAC has to be able to bring it as well.

post #5974 of 12142
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Why don't you try the Apex Teton? If it sounds like my Pinnacle, it's a superb match for the 800s. (I never heard the Teton, but I think it's basically a single-ended-only of a Pinnacle. Don't quote me on that, it's just speculation.)

 

i'm interested in hearing some teton impressions as well. no1 has bought it that i know of yet.

 

seems like its good, but seems overpriced. i think if it cost $3000 or less, more people would buy. $5000 is quite a bit, likewise the $10000 for pinnacle is too much considering 009+bhse costs the same.


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 10/15/13 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post
 

Why don't you try the Apex Teton? If it sounds like my Pinnacle, it's a superb match for the 800s. (I never heard the Teton, but I think it's basically a single-ended-only of a Pinnacle. Don't quote me on that, it's just speculation.)

 

The Pinnacle is a transformer-coupled amp, while the Teton is OTL.

I doubt the Teton is a single-ended only of a Pinnacle.

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i'm interested in hearing some teton impressions as well. no1 has bought it that i know of yet.

 

seems like its good, but seems overpriced. i think if it cost $3000 or less, more people would buy. $5000 is quite a bit, likewise the $10000 for pinnacle is too much considering 009+bhse costs the same.

Thanks for that perspective. I feel that the Pinnacle opens up a whole world of current and future phones that offer a lot more flexibility for tastes than a stat amp does,

which basically limits your to Stax 007s and 009s. And IMHO the Pinnacle brings out (generally) the best of every phone, sometimes letting them sound better than I ever would have believed.

 

Also, as an owner of both types, I still feel that dynamics are dynamics and stats are stats and never the twain shall meet.

And there are many stat-lovers and dynamic-lovers for whom one type will not substitute for the other, so offering an 009 system to a dynamic fan is a moot point.

 

Just my 2-cent world view :), so thanks again Dubstep Girl and my best to you.

post #5977 of 12142
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Thanks for that perspective. I feel that the Pinnacle opens up a whole world of current and future phones that offer a lot more flexibility for tastes than a stat amp does,

which basically limits your to Stax 007s and 009s. And IMHO the Pinnacle brings out (generally) the best of every phone, sometimes letting them sound better than I ever would have believed.

 

Also, as an owner of both types, I still feel that dynamics are dynamics and stats are stats and never the twain shall meet.

And there are many stat-lovers and dynamic-lovers for whom one type will not substitute for the other, so offering an 009 system to a dynamic fan is a moot point.

 

Just my 2-cent world view :), so thanks again Dubstep Girl and my best to you.

Couldn't agree more.

It's the ONLY amp which is absolutely sensational with ALL my headphones including K1000s & yes, even the HE6.

You just need to get the right 6SN7s.

For the HD800s my favorite tube is the Hytron.   

post #5978 of 12142
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i'm interested in hearing some teton impressions as well. no1 has bought it that i know of yet.

 

seems like its good, but seems overpriced. i think if it cost $3000 or less, more people would buy. $5000 is quite a bit, likewise the $10000 for pinnacle is too much considering 009+bhse costs the same.

 

I used to have three amps; ECBA for HD800s, EAR-HP4 for LCD3s & MAD+ for Grados.

The Pinnacle replaced all three. Sold the first two and the MAD will go to my holiday home in Bombay!

Yes, 10K is quite a lot, but if you've got multiple headphones, each with it's own specific needs, then this amp is actually a no-brainer. :wink_face:

post #5979 of 12142
GSX-2 has also seems to work for all my headphones including he-6, havent tried k1000 yet
post #5980 of 12142
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GSX-2 has also seems to work for all my headphones including he-6, havent tried k1000 yet

If it only works for top tier headphones then I wouldn't consider it in the same league as the Pinnacle.

It would have to be really very special if its better than the ECBA and EAR.

And if it is, I'd be very inclined to buy one.

 

My point is, I don't base my judgement on pricing, just performance.    

Heck, I found the Mjolnir better than the ECBA for the LCD3s and a major reason I sold the latter and got the Pinnacle.
post #5981 of 12142
Works with just about anything, the magic of wire with gain sound.

I am not a fan of the ECBA, at least with hd 800 and th-900
post #5982 of 12142
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GSX-2 has also seems to work for all my headphones including he-6, havent tried k1000 yet

If it only works for top tier headphones then I wouldn't consider it in the same league as the Pinnacle.

It would have to be really very special if its better than the ECBA and EAR.

And if it is, I'd be very inclined to buy one.

 

My point is, I don't base my judgement on pricing, just performance.    

Heck, I found the Mjolnir better than the ECBA for the LCD3s and a major reason I sold the latter and got the Pinnacle.

Then you should put the mjolnir into that same league as well. It definitely does not work for every top tier headphone. What does that Pinnacle do, magic

post #5983 of 12142
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Then you should put the mjolnir into that same league as well. It definitely does not work for every top tier headphone. What does that Pinnacle do, magic

You're totally missing the point. The Mjolnir is good ONLY with the LCD3s, not so much with HD800s.

The Pinnacle OTOH is great with ALL my headphones. How it does it you'll have to ask Todd/Pete. They're the magicians.

I just appreciate their magic :cool:

post #5984 of 12142

Great read!

post #5985 of 12142
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Then you should put the mjolnir into that same league as well. It definitely does not work for every top tier headphone. What does that Pinnacle do, magic

 The Mjolnir is good ONLY with the LCD3s, not so much with HD800s.

 

That, I can totally agree with.

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