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post #5956 of 24330
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

I get the feeling too many people confuse dynamics with 'hard-hitting, impactful'-rather than the actual dynamic swings of extremely low volume pianissimo to say triple forte-without losing sight of microdynamics all the while. 

 

 

Fixed... :tongue_smile: 

 

I definitely agree with your opinion. ;) 

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Everything else being equal? I am not sure sure how you can compare tube and ss amp then. Based on my experience with Audio-gd Master 8 and Decware Mini Torii which are of similar price range, my HE-6 sounded more dynamic and musical and has a more 3-D soundstage with the Mini Torii tube amp. I thought the power supply of Master 8 should be one of its strongest point, so sorry, I agree with Greed more about tube vs ss amp.

 




As the Mini Torii is a speaker amp not a headphone amp then 'everything being equal' does not apply!
post #5958 of 24330
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Everything else being equal? I am not sure sure how you can compare tube and ss amp then. Based on my experience with Audio-gd Master 8 and Decware Mini Torii which are of similar price range, my HE-6 sounded more dynamic and musical and has a more 3-D soundstage with the Mini Torii tube amp. I thought the power supply of Master 8 should be one of its strongest point, so sorry, I agree with Greed more about tube vs ss amp.

 




As the Mini Torii is a speaker amp not a headphone amp then 'everything being equal' does not apply!

 

The Mini Torii can be ordered with a HP output jack for HP only use. I believe Skylab was the first to order one with a HP jack.

post #5959 of 24330
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The Mini Torii can be ordered with a HP output jack for HP only use. I believe Skylab was the first to order one with a HP jack.
Yes, you are right, mine came with the HP output jack as well, I have never used the speakers jack to drive my headphones before.
post #5960 of 24330
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Soundstage maybe, but that's very subjective, but dynamics sorry that is just wrong.

 

The most important thing for dynamics is power supply IMO. It's nothing to do with SS vs Tube.

 

Hmm.. well, lets agree to disagree? What I said was my opinion nothing more nothing less. In my experience tubes vs ss - dynamics and soundstage are superior. I agree the quality of PS is very important as a foundation, but past that - tubes seem to have the upper hand in my experience. I can't imagine how one would gauge "all other things being equal" when testing products from multiple companies. That statement just doesn't jive. Now, I'm sure it is possible to have an SS amp sound more dynamic than a tube amp if you are comparing a low or mid-end tube amp versus a high-end ss amp. That comparison obviously wouldn't be fair. Also, as I said original, there are always exceptions and that is why I wrote it was a generalization - because I find my GS-X mk2 to sound very dynamic in comparison to other lesser tube amps I've had and heard.

post #5961 of 24330

I would like to add, that the dynamics of vintage amps (or integrated amps that use the main transformer) are very good. It was one of the things that leaped out at me when I started using them. Of course the refinement and control will not be competitive against high end SS or tube dedicated amps, but they sound effortless with dynamic classical music for e'g. 

post #5962 of 24330

Why don't you try the Apex Teton? If it sounds like my Pinnacle, it's a superb match for the 800s. (I never heard the Teton, but I think it's basically a single-ended-only of a Pinnacle. Don't quote me on that, it's just speculation.)

post #5963 of 24330
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post
 

 

Hmm.. well, lets agree to disagree? What I said was my opinion nothing more nothing less. In my experience tubes vs ss - dynamics and soundstage are superior. I agree the quality of PS is very important as a foundation, but past that - tubes seem to have the upper hand in my experience. I can't imagine how one would gauge "all other things being equal" when testing products from multiple companies. That statement just doesn't jive. Now, I'm sure it is possible to have an SS amp sound more dynamic than a tube amp if you are comparing a low or mid-end tube amp versus a high-end ss amp. That comparison obviously wouldn't be fair. Also, as I said original, there are always exceptions and that is why I wrote it was a generalization - because I find my GS-X mk2 to sound very dynamic in comparison to other lesser tube amps I've had and heard.

 

 

Agreed, which just proves the point I was trying to make.

There are far too many variables when comparing amps to say that it's purely a tube vs solid state issue.

It's like saying SS amps are always faster than tube amps which I know is not always true.

 

But we digress from the topic of this thread.  :D

post #5964 of 24330

I asked Greed to explain what he meant by dynamics.  I understand more where he's coming from now.  By listening to speakers from speaker amps are more of a tell,tell when dynamics come into play IMO..  

 

Hell, my F1J has a very large dynamics range.  It handles these swings better than any headphone amp I've ever heard.  As far as tube headphone amps goes I only went as high as a Single Power Extreme and a Woo WA22, and a few lower end ones.

 

However, I've heard lots of tube speaker amps.  In my experience the SS speaker amps wins in that area more times than not.  

 

And yup - your DAC has to be able to bring it as well.

post #5965 of 24330
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Why don't you try the Apex Teton? If it sounds like my Pinnacle, it's a superb match for the 800s. (I never heard the Teton, but I think it's basically a single-ended-only of a Pinnacle. Don't quote me on that, it's just speculation.)

 

i'm interested in hearing some teton impressions as well. no1 has bought it that i know of yet.

 

seems like its good, but seems overpriced. i think if it cost $3000 or less, more people would buy. $5000 is quite a bit, likewise the $10000 for pinnacle is too much considering 009+bhse costs the same.


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 10/15/13 at 9:20am
post #5966 of 24330
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post
 

Why don't you try the Apex Teton? If it sounds like my Pinnacle, it's a superb match for the 800s. (I never heard the Teton, but I think it's basically a single-ended-only of a Pinnacle. Don't quote me on that, it's just speculation.)

 

The Pinnacle is a transformer-coupled amp, while the Teton is OTL.

I doubt the Teton is a single-ended only of a Pinnacle.

post #5967 of 24330
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

 

i'm interested in hearing some teton impressions as well. no1 has bought it that i know of yet.

 

seems like its good, but seems overpriced. i think if it cost $3000 or less, more people would buy. $5000 is quite a bit, likewise the $10000 for pinnacle is too much considering 009+bhse costs the same.

Thanks for that perspective. I feel that the Pinnacle opens up a whole world of current and future phones that offer a lot more flexibility for tastes than a stat amp does,

which basically limits your to Stax 007s and 009s. And IMHO the Pinnacle brings out (generally) the best of every phone, sometimes letting them sound better than I ever would have believed.

 

Also, as an owner of both types, I still feel that dynamics are dynamics and stats are stats and never the twain shall meet.

And there are many stat-lovers and dynamic-lovers for whom one type will not substitute for the other, so offering an 009 system to a dynamic fan is a moot point.

 

Just my 2-cent world view :), so thanks again Dubstep Girl and my best to you.

post #5968 of 24330
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post
 

Thanks for that perspective. I feel that the Pinnacle opens up a whole world of current and future phones that offer a lot more flexibility for tastes than a stat amp does,

which basically limits your to Stax 007s and 009s. And IMHO the Pinnacle brings out (generally) the best of every phone, sometimes letting them sound better than I ever would have believed.

 

Also, as an owner of both types, I still feel that dynamics are dynamics and stats are stats and never the twain shall meet.

And there are many stat-lovers and dynamic-lovers for whom one type will not substitute for the other, so offering an 009 system to a dynamic fan is a moot point.

 

Just my 2-cent world view :), so thanks again Dubstep Girl and my best to you.

Couldn't agree more.

It's the ONLY amp which is absolutely sensational with ALL my headphones including K1000s & yes, even the HE6.

You just need to get the right 6SN7s.

For the HD800s my favorite tube is the Hytron.   

post #5969 of 24330
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

 

i'm interested in hearing some teton impressions as well. no1 has bought it that i know of yet.

 

seems like its good, but seems overpriced. i think if it cost $3000 or less, more people would buy. $5000 is quite a bit, likewise the $10000 for pinnacle is too much considering 009+bhse costs the same.

 

I used to have three amps; ECBA for HD800s, EAR-HP4 for LCD3s & MAD+ for Grados.

The Pinnacle replaced all three. Sold the first two and the MAD will go to my holiday home in Bombay!

Yes, 10K is quite a lot, but if you've got multiple headphones, each with it's own specific needs, then this amp is actually a no-brainer. :wink_face:

post #5970 of 24330
GSX-2 has also seems to work for all my headphones including he-6, havent tried k1000 yet
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