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post #5806 of 24305

Been awhile...mainly used them for gaming, but preferred the K702/T1/Pro 2900/HD800 over them in that regard. The AT doesn't have that big of a soundstage, which is where the others excel at imo. The mids are so upfront that it works well with some movies, and great for dialogue-heavy scenes. Not my highest recommendation by any stretch-but still possibly my second favorite dynamic for music. ;)

 

On a budget-I still think the Pro 2900 is one of the best all around headphones under a grand-great for most music genres-and absolutely stunning for games and movies. A complete bargain at it's price imo-despite the Ultrasone hate around here. Definitely needs a decent amp and some burn in though.

 

-Daniel

post #5807 of 24305
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

Insanity. The HD800s are simply the best cans ever made for gaming-especially competitive gaming. Others I've tried for gaming are Pro 2900s,  DT880s, DT 990s, T1s, AD2000s, K702s, D2000s, AD700s...nothing comes close. I do REALLY like both the T1s and Pro 2900s for games/movies though.

 

-Daniel

 

Absolutely agree. No offense but the sad part is that guy A spouts nonsense with no real reasoning or gear/setup, possible software solutions like CMSS-3D/SBX/Dolby Headphone or plain stereo , not even mentioning the games he used on which platform and the guy B downright believes him and takes interest in DT880s for gaming needs as supposedly it does better than the HD800s.

 

I have a hard time deciding which part is worse. 

 

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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

On a budget-I still think the Pro 2900 is one of the best all around headphones under a grand-great for most music genres-and absolutely stunning for games and movies. A complete bargain at it's price imo-despite the Ultrasone hate around here. Definitely needs a decent amp and some burn in though.

 

-Daniel

 

 

I actually bought the Pro 2900 based on your experiences and agree on them being quite exciting for gaming. However I don't agree with you on their mids. :tongue_smile:


Edited by Fegefeuer - 9/28/13 at 9:53am
post #5808 of 24305
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

 

 

On a budget-I still think the Pro 2900 is one of the best all around headphones under a grand-great for most music genres-and absolutely stunning for games and movies. A complete bargain at it's price imo-despite the Ultrasone hate around here. Definitely needs a decent amp and some burn in though.

 

-Daniel

 

 

I think Ultrasone HFI2400 should be seriously considered too for the same purpose and even cheaper than pro2900. :beerchug: 

post #5809 of 24305
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Originally Posted by Fegefeuer View Post
 

 

Absolutely agree. No offense but the sad part is that guy A spouts nonsense with no real reasoning or gear/setup, possible software solutions like CMSS-3D/SBX/Dolby Headphone or plain stereo , not even mentioning the games he used on which platform and the guy B downright believes him and takes interest in DT880s for gaming needs as supposedly it does better than the HD800s.

 

I have a hard time deciding which part is worse.

 

 

I actually bought the Pro 2900 based on your experiences and agree on them being quite exciting for gaming. However I don't agree with you on their mids. :tongue_smile:

 

Keep in mind almost all of my Pro 2900 comments were made prior to owning the HD800s and T1s. They were primarily in context with my experiences with the K702 and DT880s and (ugh) Pro 900s back then. I still think they are a huge bang for the buck, and have some of the best surround effects I've ever heard in pure stereo even. Guess the Pro Logic + goes well with my ears.

 

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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post
 

 

 

I think Ultrasone HFI2400 should be seriously considered too for the same purpose and even cheaper than pro2900. :beerchug:

 

I've often heard this...would like to try one sometime.

 

-Daniel

post #5810 of 24305

Have to agree that the HD800s aren't great for gaming, especially when trying to identify the location of sounds. I would think this is a by-product of the artificially enhanced sound stage.

post #5811 of 24305
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

 

 

 

I've often heard this...would like to try one sometime.

 

-Daniel

 

 

From What I know (never tried myself pro2900 unfortunately) the hfi2400 is a bit darker and a bit less detailed/refined than pro2900 but shares overally the same abilities and nature for Films/Gaming and some genre of Music . I really miss mine sometimes . Sooooo fun way of sounding and so stunning ability to reproduce film noises :basshead: 

post #5812 of 24305
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post

Insanity. The HD800s are simply the best cans ever made for gaming-especially competitive gaming. Others I've tried for gaming are Pro 2900s,  DT880s, DT 990s, T1s, AD2000s, K702s, D2000s, AD700s...nothing comes close. I do REALLY like both the T1s and Pro 2900s for games/movies though.

-Daniel

See, I thought they would be brilliant! I was all psyched to enjoy an expansive stage and crystal clear sounds. And that was all there, but the 3D positioning was utter rubbish. It was so bad I finally made a game of it - I would close my eyes and try to guess from which direction a sound was coming and almost always got it wrong. It made me sad. How sad? As sad as ... well as sad as someone having their own opinion about headphones. Seriously, that sad. wink.gif


I used the 880s for a couple of years, then spent almost a year with the PC360s until I could stand the comfort level (specifically lack thereof) no longer, and even used AD1000x for a bit, but I went back to the 880s. For me they provide the best combination of 3D reproduction, comfort, detail and range.
post #5813 of 24305
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Originally Posted by dukeskd View Post
 

Have to agree that the HD800s aren't great for gaming, especially when trying to identify the location of sounds. I would think this is a by-product of the artificially enhanced sound stage.

 

Would you care to explain how the soundstage is 'artificially enhanced'? 

 

If that is the case, what would a 'natural soundstage' sound like? More closed in? More condensed? 

 

If a headphone is to replicate speakers or live music then a large soundstage is very important imo. 

 

A small soundstage for me would be more 'artificial' in that sense. Especially when most music is produced and mixed using speakers. If the mixing was done in a small cupboard then yes a small condensed soundstage might work better ;)

 

The most general consensus of the HD800's, even if peeps like them or not - is that they are the 'imaging kings'. Imaging is one of the most important attributes of a headphone. It's were instruments or vocals appear to be. 

A headphone that I would agree was artificially enhanced in the soundstage would be the early K701/2. The image here is stretched from left to right and although this can be a fun and unique quality (perhaps fun for films or games), its not very realistic, as the centre of the image becomes too thin and focus is lost to the sides. The HD800's on the other hand are not like that at all. Everything is centred with only far left or right sounds produced that are far left or right in the mix. 

The Senn's soundstage is 'large' or 'big', but it's not stretched or squashed. Its really quite natural imo, or as natural as I've heard from a headphone. I tend to describe the HD800's soundstage as very bubble like. A big bubble. It has to be a big bubble so that it can fit over your head :D 

 

All of the top Senn's have the same imaging ime. Only everything is bigger with the HD800's.  

post #5814 of 24305
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

I beg to differ... I wear them when I'm playing chess. Bit of light Mozart helps me concentrate. 

 

:beerchug:

 

i do the chess and headphones thing too!! 

post #5815 of 24305
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Originally Posted by Pudu View Post


See, I thought they would be brilliant! I was all psyched to enjoy an expansive stage and crystal clear sounds. And that was all there, but the 3D positioning was utter rubbish. It was so bad I finally made a game of it - I would close my eyes and try to guess from which direction a sound was coming and almost always got it wrong. It made me sad. How sad? As sad as ... well as sad as someone having their own opinion about headphones. Seriously, that sad. wink.gif


I used the 880s for a couple of years, then spent almost a year with the PC360s until I could stand the comfort level (specifically lack thereof) no longer, and even used AD1000x for a bit, but I went back to the 880s. For me they provide the best combination of 3D reproduction, comfort, detail and range.

 

Keep in mind I only use stereo with the HD800s as I find it FAR superior than Dolby Headphone for gaming. I used to be a big fan of DH-but with a proper dac, coupled with the HD800s cavernous soundstage-it simply trumped the DH processing which to me sounds completely fake now-cheesey reverb and limited ss ime, in comparison.

 

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

 

Would you care to explain how the soundstage is 'artificially enhanced'?

 

If that is the case, what would a 'natural soundstage' sound like? More closed in? More condensed?

 

If a headphone is to replicate speakers or live music then a large soundstage is very important imo.

 

A small soundstage for me would be more 'artificial' in that sense. Especially when most music is produced and mixed using speakers. If the mixing was done in a small cupboard then yes a small condensed soundstage might work better ;)

 

The most general consensus of the HD800's, even if peeps like them or not - is that they are the 'imaging kings'. Imaging is one of the most important attributes of a headphone. It's were instruments or vocals appear to be.

A headphone that I would agree was artificially enhanced in the soundstage would be the early K701/2. The image here is stretched from left to right and although this can be a fun and unique quality (perhaps fun for films or games), its not very realistic, as the centre of the image becomes too thin and focus is lost to the sides. The HD800's on the other hand are not like that at all. Everything is centred with only far left or right sounds produced that are far left or right in the mix.

The Senn's soundstage is 'large' or 'big', but it's not stretched or squashed. Its really quite natural imo, or as natural as I've heard from a headphone. I tend to describe the HD800's soundstage as very bubble like. A big bubble. It has to be a big bubble so that it can fit over your head :D

 

All of the top Senn's have the same imaging ime. Only everything is bigger with the HD800's. 

 

Yep. Yep. Yep.... :)

 

-Daniel

post #5816 of 24305
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

 

Keep in mind I only use stereo with the HD800s as I find it FAR superior than Dolby Headphone for gaming. I used to be a big fan of DH-but with a proper dac, coupled with the HD800s cavernous soundstage-it simply trumped the DH processing which to me sounds completely fake now-cheesey reverb and limited ss ime, in comparison.

 

 

Yep. Yep. Yep.... :)

 

-Daniel

 

 

the cavernous soundstage title belongs to the HE-500 with pleathers

post #5817 of 24305
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

 

:beerchug:

 

i do the chess and headphones thing too!! 

 

 

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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

 

Yep. Yep. Yep.... :)

 

-Daniel

 

:beerchug: cheers to you both lovely head-fiers :)

post #5818 of 24305
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

 

 

the cavernous soundstage title belongs to the HE-500 with pleathers

 

 

Stop posting and go sell that WA2 already. :ph34r:

 

-Daniel

post #5819 of 24305
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

 

 

Stop posting and go sell that WA2 already. :ph34r:

 

-Daniel

 

working on that.  :D

post #5820 of 24305

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