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post #5551 of 17707

'cept everyone just says "it's good-it's great"-never really much impressions. Just throw out the 'wire with a gain, it's sounds precisely like your source' throwup repeated 1000 times. So DG-what's your source sound like? ;)

 

-Daniel

post #5552 of 17707

a little light on the bass, but perhaps true to the recording, nothing ever sounds boosted, nothing ever sounds anemic, its just how the recording is. the bass comes out when u least expect it. extension is the best i've heard. u hear all the bass details, textures, nuances, with every headphone. 

 

the midrange is just slightly laidback, but not recessed, i would say, relaxed, mellowed, but it doesn't lose any speed, dynamics, clarity, or forwardness.

 

the decay is perfect, very natural, not SS and digital, but not colored either, and music just is so transparent, the music is very ethereal sounding at times, the way it just plays through, its really interesting. theres no grain, no hardness, anywhere to be found, the background is certainly very black, this is a dynamic amp, but it doesn't sound dynamic, it doesn't sound forced or aggressive in any way, its the perfect balance of being relaxed and dynamic at the same time, it finds that magic middle.

 

the treble is just enough to extract all the details. but not be fatiguing, with HD 800, it seems to sometimes border on that level, like u feel like its bright and its gonna fatigue, but in the end it doesn't, its quite like the hd 800s sound. other headphones don't seem to be bright. not warm either, theres no roll off, my DAC seems to have a little brightness at times, but its not artificial or digital, just very revealing and doesn't hold anything back in the treble, if your recording has treble it will be there, but it will only be what the recording has, it won't be unnatural sounding or adding any brightness to fake detail.

 

the details really are there and its the amps incredible resolution, not treble colorations like some SS amps give.

 

this is what i hear, and comes close to what people say the Mytek 192 sounds like as well.

post #5553 of 17707

Nice impressions, thanks. I like the comment about the ss treble colorations. Sounds like my Luxman where I keep getting ready to wince at the treble peak...but it doesn't come. I was just telling Ken how I wish the Bryston and the Lux had a baby-it'd be perfect for an ss imo. I'll see if the GSX can straddle that like at all...not the colorations really, but the soundstaging, dynamics, and transparency without stridency with the HD800. Wish I still had my 'dead nuts neutral' Master 8 to pair with my Eximus/HD800-in fact I REALLY wish someone could compare the M8 and and the GSX sometime...that M8 is a wire with a gain if I've ever heard one-but without the shrill, brittleness of the Dynalo I used to own...

 

-Daniel

post #5554 of 17707
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Nice impressions, thanks. I like the comment about the ss treble colorations. Sounds like my Luxman where I keep getting ready to wince at the treble peak...but it doesn't come. I was just telling Ken how I wish the Bryston and the Lux had a baby-it'd be perfect for an ss imo. I'll see if the GSX can straddle that like at all...not the colorations really, but the soundstaging, dynamics, and transparency without stridency with the HD800. Wish I still had my 'dead nuts neutral' Master 8 to pair with my Eximus/HD800-in fact I REALLY wish someone could compare the M8 and and the GSX sometime...that M8 is a wire with a gain if I've ever heard one-but without the shrill, brittleness of the Dynalo I used to own...

 

-Daniel

 

it does!#!@#@#@!#

 

its as good as i've ever heard. i can't believe the HD 800s sounded as good as they did.

post #5555 of 17707

Sounds like it'll make a decent bedside rig for me. Any comments regarding the soundstage? Depth, size, precision? This is where ss can rarely match a good tube amp ime...

 

-Daniel

post #5556 of 17707
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Nice impressions, thanks. I like the comment about the ss treble colorations. Sounds like my Luxman where I keep getting ready to wince at the treble peak...but it doesn't come. I was just telling Ken how I wish the Bryston and the Lux had a baby-it'd be perfect for an ss imo. I'll see if the GSX can straddle that like at all...not the colorations really, but the soundstaging, dynamics, and transparency without stridency with the HD800. Wish I still had my 'dead nuts neutral' Master 8 to pair with my Eximus/HD800-in fact I REALLY wish someone could compare the M8 and and the GSX sometime...that M8 is a wire with a gain if I've ever heard one-but without the shrill, brittleness of the Dynalo I used to own...

-Daniel

it does!#!@#@#@!#

its as good as i've ever heard. i can't believe the HD 800s sounded as good as they did.
Hmm, I can't say anything about the pairing as ive never heard the gsx but I've always felt like headamps really fall short in terms of sound stage. Maybe someone else can also chime in?
post #5557 of 17707

Ima go out on a limb and say it depends on the source. *sigh*

 

-Daniel

post #5558 of 17707
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it does!#!@#@#@!#

 

its as good as i've ever heard. i can't believe the HD 800s sounded as good as they did.

 

hey DG: nice impressions im getting more excited lol. are your hd800s running in SE or balanced? also which gain setting did you use on the gsx and how much volume pot headroom you have?

 

something that i dont quite understand is how unity gain works. if there is 0 gain, isn't it just a signal pass through? if so isnt it better to just hook up your headphones directly to your dac (with a rca to 1/4" adapter or something). maybe somebody can explain it to me what the point of unity gain is?

 

edit: also did you say the bass of the hd800 on the gsx is the best you've ever heard? how does it compare to the wa2, both in quantity and quality?


Edited by Jd007 - 9/15/13 at 12:17am
post #5559 of 17707

The voltage from a preamp is say, 1 volt, and it can deliver it into say, 1 thousand ohms without distorting the signal or reducing the level to a lesser value.

The voltage from an amp is the same voltage, but it c an deliver it into say, 4 ohms without distorting the signal or reducing it to a lesser level.

 

The issue here is the current supply capability of the preamp and amp.

 

The signal from the preamp is usually enough to drive an amplifier or a headphone which doesn't take much current to run.

The signal from an amplifier usually has more current capability so it can drive a greater current load such as a current hungry headphone or a speaker.


Edited by wink - 9/15/13 at 12:24am
post #5560 of 17707
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post
 

Sounds like it'll make a decent bedside rig for me. Any comments regarding the soundstage? Depth, size, precision? This is where ss can rarely match a good tube amp ime...

 

-Daniel

 

 

well umm i think its fairly wide, this is something that i find hard to measure sometimes, i know when its narrow or lacking depth, but find it harder to judge when its more open. 

 

i don't think you'll be disappointed. one thing for sure, imaging is extremely good, probably the best i've heard, everything is so precise, where it needs to be. i know also theres alot of spatial cues and nuances in the music i haven't heard with HD 800 yet, so its still new to me. i think i like it more than WA2 in this regard though. much better. and compared to zana, not sure, but just as good if not much better.

 

all my jazz recordings sound amazing. i've never heard such clarity in the recordings, the space is really well reproduced and i can really finally hear everything with the hd 800, so if this is the soundstage, i think its amazing.


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 9/15/13 at 12:24am
post #5561 of 17707
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hey DG: nice impressions im getting more excited lol. are your hd800s running in SE or balanced? also which gain setting did you use on the gsx and how much volume pot headroom you have?

 

something that i dont quite understand is how unity gain works. if there is 0 gain, isn't it just a signal pass through? if so isnt it better to just hook up your headphones directly to your dac (with a rca to 1/4" adapter or something). maybe somebody can explain it to me what the point of unity gain is?

 

edit: also did you say the bass of the hd800 on the gsx is the best you've ever heard? how does it compare to the wa2, both in quantity and quality?

 

 i am using balanced input, but SE cables for everything but the HE-6, so you can say HE-6 is balanced, everything else is SE.

 

i use high gain for basically everything except the TH-900, i have enough space to always adjust the volume, if i don't, i'll go to medium, but i haven't really had a problem yet. i'm guessing that if i was balanced, i'd be using medium instead of high gain on everything. 

 

and everything can go to speaker like volumes with the headphones away from your ears, without any distortion whatsoever, you have as much headroom as you want. and this includes LCD-3 and HE-500, unbalanced, i can only imagine how much headroom u must have balanced. 

 

the HE-6 is the exception, its just enough to be considered "well powered and fully driven", it gets as loud as you want, but i think its still 2-3 dB short of perfection, i feel comfortably having a tad bit more headroom, u can get loud enough though.

 

slightly less quantity than WA2, the bass is somewhat light at times, but its really not. the bass is neutral and never lacking. and all the good qualities of bass, extension, clarity texture, etc, is the best i've ever heard. the quality is simply UNPARALLELED BY ANYTHING IVE HEARD. and its like this on every single headphone.

 

the HD 800 have very very good bass, it comes out on the recordings when it needs it, it lays back when it needs to. depends on the recording. one thing is if you like bass boost, this amp doesn't have that, the WA2 has a bit more of a rounded fuller bass thats slightly boosted, especially with 5998 tubes, the GSX doesn't have this. the bass is the best quality on the GSX though, u hear EVERYTHING, every nuance texture and detail in the bass, its so full of soul and emotion, it really adds alot to the music. i really like it. so lifelike and accurate, its perfect!!!! :D

post #5562 of 17707

listening to HD 800 right now, i think i can live with this, no fatigue, and the detail is amazing.

 

every recording seems to have alot more detail and resolution, its kinda like when i heard the STAX its all HOLY ****!@#!@# like WTF i didn't know music could sound this detailed.

 

the stax are still better, but the HD 800 are hardly less impressive, and i can see why macedonianhero still has the HD 800 around. 

 

i'm listening at a good level and all my electronic, pop, rock, and poor and good recordings, and everything sounds amazing and i never feel brightness or fatigue, despite the fact that it sounds like i might, it sounds bright and clear like it should hurt, but it doesn't, its just like the treble spike is just smoothened down enough to not hurt. thats the way i see it, its borderline.

post #5563 of 17707
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the HD 800 have very very good bass, it comes out on the recordings when it needs it, it lays back when it needs to. depends on the recording. one thing is if you like bass boost, this amp doesn't have that, the WA2 has a bit more of a rounded fuller bass thats slightly boosted, especially with 5998 tubes, the GSX doesn't have this. the bass is the best quality on the GSX though, u hear EVERYTHING, every nuance texture and detail in the bass, its so full of soul and emotion, it really adds alot to the music. i really like it. so lifelike and accurate, its perfect!!!! :D

maybe the hd800 will scale even more when you go fully balanced? i just ordered a 4-pin xlr cables for my hd800s, hopefully it'll be worth it. when are you gonna re-cable the rest of your headphones into balanced? it'll be for both the gs-x and the wa22 if you plan to get it later :P

post #5564 of 17707
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maybe the hd800 will scale even more when you go fully balanced? i just ordered a 4-pin xlr cables for my hd800s, hopefully it'll be worth it. when are you gonna re-cable the rest of your headphones into balanced? it'll be for both the gs-x and the wa22 if you plan to get it later :P

 

 

yes i hope so, either way, i'm not feeling like i'm missing anything right now. 

 

so i can wait a few weeks for my wallet to recover before i go balanced. maybe by then Trevor (norse audio), will be able to make cables again.

 

if not, i'll probably just get moon audio or something, since they ship fast and seem to have nice cables, maybe i can get the older version of their cables too, which i really like. 

 

im still planning on buying WA22, but i think T1 will still pair better with WA2, so still undecided on this. i know im very happy with HD 800 and T1 on the WA2, hopefully, the WA22 is slightly better.

post #5565 of 17707
So the gsx is for sure to stay then? It's lived up to its expectation as the end game solid state amp I assume, judging from your impressions lol. So now the hunt is on for an end game tube?

One of each does sound amazing. Personally I will probably just stick with the gsx and be done with tubes, for the sale of both convenience and my wallet
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