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post #556 of 25190
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Originally Posted by Girls Generation View Post

I think you're confusing better with quantity. LCD3's bass seems to have better quality, not quantity. What the LCD2 falls behind is everything sounds congested and like mush in comparison to the LCD3. Maybe that might help with concentrating on vocals. But if you don't like how the LCD2 grips your face, the LCD3's pads are squishier and you might not like them.


Maybe you're right, I was typing too fast and was thinking of quantity not quality.  I might actually like the LCD3s more if there was less congestion.  The only problem is the big fat price tag on those.  I got a pretty good deal on the LCD2.2s brand new at $865 and the HD800 refurbished at $1100.  To me, the real worth of the LCD2.2 should be $800-850 for its sonic improvements.   The HD800 is worth $1150 -$1250.  I really don't want to take a bite at the diminishing returns cake at $1945 on the LCD3

post #557 of 25190

Might let mine go soon, after my HD800s arrive and I assess the three.

 

"Value" can be vastly different for different people so it's unfair to label something's worth definitively, though everyone is free to opine. 

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Maybe you're right, I was typing too fast and was thinking of quantity not quality.  I might actually like the LCD3s more if there was less congestion.  The only problem is the big fat price tag on those.  I got a pretty good deal on the LCD2.2s brand new at $865 and the HD800 refurbished at $1100.  To me, the real worth of the LCD2.2 should be $800-850 for its sonic improvements.   The HD800 is worth $1150 -$1250.  I really don't want to take a bite at the diminishing returns cake at $1945 on the LCD3

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Gungnir :D

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 Hmm the Concero is well within the budget... Any more recommendations? Highly prefer USB.

 

Should never be the default answer when a suitable DAC is needed for the HD800.

 

@Toopoor - I'd suggest investing in an amp first. The Lyr is more of a bottleneck for the HD800 than the Bifrost. The Bifrost should tide you over until you can accommodate a better DAC than the Gungnir.


Edited by olor1n - 3/5/13 at 11:43pm
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 Hmm the Concero is well within the budget... Any more recommendations? Highly prefer USB.

 


For ~600$ I would go with AGD NFB1.32. Looks better than the Concero and has a very good USB input. To me it looks better even than the new Matrix...

post #560 of 25190
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

I agree with you as well. And in relation, the LCD-3's bass is superior to the HD800s for impact, depth, precision and definition. The HD800s get the win for sound staging and sense of air. Owning both, you've got pretty much all of your bases covered IMO.

 

See my other pairs I'd agree.  But behind my current rig, which is what I had the LCD-3 with, the HD800 has much greater impact, precision and definition.  The LCD-3 bass was always kind of laid back.  Not sure what you mean by depth?  Layers?  Deep bass? Staging depth?  My HD800 certainly shakes the head more than the LCD-3 I had.  Movie watching with the HD800 is mind blowing :D

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Maybe you're right, I was typing too fast and was thinking of quantity not quality.  I might actually like the LCD3s more if there was less congestion.  The only problem is the big fat price tag on those.  I got a pretty good deal on the LCD2.2s brand new at $865 and the HD800 refurbished at $1100.  To me, the real worth of the LCD2.2 should be $800-850 for its sonic improvements.   The HD800 is worth $1150 -$1250.  I really don't want to take a bite at the diminishing returns cake at $1945 on the LCD3

For a working Man/woman, LDC-3s are a ripoff for their price:performance ratio. IF you have deep pockets though and it is worth to you -- enjoy.

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See my other pairs I'd agree.  But behind my current rig, which is what I had the LCD-3 with, the HD800 has much greater impact, precision and definition.  The LCD-3 bass was always kind of laid back.  Not sure what you mean by depth?  Layers?  Deep bass? Staging depth?  My HD800 certainly shakes the head more than the LCD-3 I had.  Movie watching with the HD800 is mind blowing :D

+1

post #563 of 25190

Sometimes I feel like my hd800s are fine while other times I think there is no bass w/ no signs of life. This had me wondering if the L & R wires were mis-matched so I swapped them and walla more bass and everything seemed more sharp but the sound stage was a little weird which I couldn't tell if it was correct or not. Also it shorted in the L side so I swapped them back to how they were before. When I get home from work I will hook them to my computer and mess w/ the balance to see if they are backwards.

 

Could my wire ends be labeled wrong?

post #564 of 25190
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For a working Man/woman, LDC-3s are a ripoff for their price:performance ratio. IF you have deep pockets though and it is worth to you -- enjoy.

Gee thanks for the super enlightening post. We all really learned a lot. How about letting the individual decide if they are a rip-off for themselves? The LCD-3 definitely hasn't exceeded all my expectations for it, but that doesn't mean it's a rip-off. Not even close. Keep in mind theres lurkers on these forums that take everything you say at face value.

 

In other news, I'm looking forward to trying a pair 800s. All this talk of the newer models having more bass has me very interested.

post #565 of 25190
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

 

See my other pairs I'd agree.  But behind my current rig, which is what I had the LCD-3 with, the HD800 has much greater impact, precision and definition.  The LCD-3 bass was always kind of laid back.  Not sure what you mean by depth?  Layers?  Deep bass? Staging depth?  My HD800 certainly shakes the head more than the LCD-3 I had.  Movie watching with the HD800 is mind blowing :D

 

This does not match my experience. The HD800's bass is precise and deep, but with limited "head shake" or impact. The LCD-3 has a visceral quality that the HD800 doesn't come close to approaching.

 

I've come to accept that there's a degree of production variance in both models -- moderate in the Senns, high in the LCD-3 -- so this difference of opinion is not really surprising.

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To be fair even those who love the LCD-3 consider it a steep price for what is a correction to the LCD-2 Rev2 performance not a whole other level.  Suffice to say they aren't alone in being poor value.

post #567 of 25190

True, but isnt that how evolving technology and markets work? In 5 years there may be an LCD-3 equivalent phone for $1000 less. But there will be greater technology then selling for the same $1950. Should we be buying all our gear on a 5 year lag? Wouldn't that be the only way not to get squeezed on the price?

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To be fair even those who love the LCD-3 consider it a steep price for what is a correction to the LCD-2 Rev2 performance not a whole other level.  Suffice to say they aren't alone in being poor value.

 

It is a steep price increase, but well worth it IMO. The LCD-3 fixes every issue I had with the LCD-2.2 (except soundstage, which is improved but not truly fixed). Others have shown that they feel differently about the LCD-3's price-to-performance ratio, which is fine.

post #569 of 25190
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Originally Posted by Uncle00Jesse View Post

Gee thanks for the super enlightening post. We all really learned a lot. How about letting the individual decide if they are a rip-off for themselves? The LCD-3 definitely hasn't exceeded all my expectations for it, but that doesn't mean it's a rip-off. Not even close. Keep in mind theres lurkers on these forums that take everything you say at face value.

 

In other news, I'm looking forward to trying a pair 800s. All this talk of the newer models having more bass has me very interested.

Sorry. Did not mean to offend anyone. You're right, I probably should measure my words a bit more. That's how I felt though when I heard LCD-3. Sorry. I was not attacking fans of LCD-3. IF that's how I came off, my sincere apologies.

 

I also suspect, that the type of music you listen to has a lot to do with it. From what I have seen, LCD-3 is a rock fan's HP. I listen to little rock, some Pink Floyd and Zep, Hendrix, Radiohead but that's about it. For my music and the way I listen, detail and sound stage are most valued. I think these are LCD-3 weak points (relatively speaking).  Compared to HD800, the price you pay for the performance is off, in my book. Just my opinion.


Edited by Cante Ista - 3/6/13 at 8:10am
post #570 of 25190

No worries, thank you for clarifying. Posts like that make someone looking at it going, okay I won't even touch those now.. Then they go off and get an HD-800 and LCD-2, maybe switch over to an HE-500 or 6. But in the end they'll go back to the lcd-3 because it's perfect for them. But in the process they will have wasted many thousands. It really comes down to the need for each individual to try before you buy. We all know thats not necessarily easy in this hobby

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