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post #4831 of 19853

^good post. 

 

There is nothing wrong with the stock cable sonically. But its too long rolleyes.gif

 

Hard to put a figure on it, but I'm guessing probably 95% of HD800 users are close to their equipment when using them. Shorter is always better with audio signals. 

post #4832 of 19853
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

^good post. 

 

There is nothing wrong with the stock cable sonically. But its too long rolleyes.gif

 

Hard to put a figure on it, but I'm guessing probably 95% of HD800 users are close to their equipment when using them. Shorter is always better with audio signals. 

I find it the perfect length-mainly when I need it while lying in bed watching movies with them on a 65" plasma. Other than that-yeah maybe a hair too long.

 

-Daniel

post #4833 of 19853
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For those considering aftermarket cables - you might want to take a few minutes to peruse a couple of the threads which discuss soldering hd800 connectors.  In summary, as I understand it, the pins within the hd800 connectors are so tiny that it is physically impossible for large guage (e.g. 18awg) cables sold by certain retailers to be fully attached to them...  This has led to some interesting comments and questions by a number of head-fi veterans and even MOT's as to what's really going on underneath the heatshrink.   http://www.head-fi.org/t/467620/hd800-connectors-are-you-kidding-me/30

 

I've been reading up on this because I plan to either buy or diy a cable with a 4 pin xlr connector to use with my incoming bh mainline (so note that I am not a true cable naysayer).

 

That said, hyperbole and suggestions that exotic cables will shift frequency response and tame the hd800's 6khz mini-peak have to be taken with a grain of salt.  If true, this is something that would clearly show up in software like diffmaker, but reputable cable makers are generally candid about the fact that the improvements they believe their cables bring about can't be measured by traditional means.  Such measurements don't tell the whole story.  Look at the O2 for example, which measures like a champ but has a definite edge to its sound that probably correlates to a design based on the use of gobs of global negative feedback to drop the noise floor.  Cables may well make a beneficial difference based on criteria we haven't yet developed the means to measure, but obvious changes in FR is not something anyone should be expecting in upgrading their hp cable.

 

 

Take out all connectors and hardwire them.  

post #4834 of 19853
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Take out all connectors and hardwire them.  

Question remains why? If there's no sonic difference, that is.

post #4835 of 19853
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Question remains why? If there's no sonic difference, that is.

 

Just in case.  Ha ha ha ...

post #4836 of 19853
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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post

For those considering aftermarket cables - you might want to take a few minutes to peruse a couple of the threads which discuss soldering hd800 connectors.  In summary, as I understand it, the pins within the hd800 connectors are so tiny that it is physically impossible for large guage (e.g. 18awg) cables sold by certain retailers to be fully attached to them...  This has led to some interesting comments and questions by a number of head-fi veterans and even MOT's as to what's really going on underneath the heatshrink.   http://www.head-fi.org/t/467620/hd800-connectors-are-you-kidding-me/30


I've been reading up on this because I plan to either buy or diy a cable with a 4 pin xlr connector to use with my incoming bh mainline (so note that I am not a true cable naysayer).

That said, hyperbole and suggestions that exotic cables will shift frequency response and tame the hd800's 6khz mini-peak have to be taken with a grain of salt.  If true, this is something that would clearly show up in software like diffmaker, but reputable cable makers are generally candid about the fact that the improvements they believe their cables bring about can't be measured by traditional means.  Such measurements don't tell the whole story.  Look at the O2 for example, which measures like a champ but has a definite edge to its sound that probably correlates to a design based on the use of gobs of global negative feedback to drop the noise floor.  Cables may well make a beneficial difference based on criteria we haven't yet developed the means to measure, but obvious changes in FR is not something anyone should be expecting in upgrading their hp cable.

I have made several HD800 cables and it is more the room available inside the body of the connector than the pins themselves that are the issue. Even the wider bodied connectors that some makers are using are tiny compared to a mini XLR. Definitely the bulk of any very thick wire will remain outside the connectors with a small twist of wire going to the pins, but I'm not sure that should matter or be considered some sort of fraud or evil secret since the pins themselves are tiny and the wires inside the headphone are thin as well.

Then again, I make my cables to change the aesthetics and ergonomics as opposed to the sound. Someone really looking for measurable changes should look into the Anax mod variants.
post #4837 of 19853
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Then again, I make my cables to change the aesthetics and ergonomics as opposed to the sound. Someone really looking for measurable changes should look into the Anax mod variants.

 

+1

Yes sir....

post #4838 of 19853

Or different headphones... bigsmile_face.gif

post #4839 of 19853
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Maybe you tried 650 the black screen one? Somehow I think my 650 treble is not too dull it actually have more treble presence compared to HD800.

Mine had the newer silver drivers. Aren't the black ones even more laid back?

post #4840 of 19853
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post

I find it the perfect length-mainly when I need it while lying in bed watching movies with them on a 65" plasma. Other than that-yeah maybe a hair too long.

-Daniel

Yeah! HD800 is awesome! Wit movies!
How do you amp them for movies?
post #4841 of 19853
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Mine had the newer silver drivers. Aren't the black ones even more laid back?

Yes, black one treble even more laid back. Maybe HD650 just isn't your cup tea.
The mids can be too warm for some though.
post #4842 of 19853
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Yes, black one treble even more laid back. Maybe HD650 just isn't your cup tea.
The mids can be too warm for some though.

Yeah, I wouldn't want less treble....so I guess not my cup of tea. 

post #4843 of 19853
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Originally Posted by RedBull View Post


Yeah! HD800 is awesome! Wit movies!
How do you amp them for movies?

I LOVE them with movies. I always just watch in stereo (blu-ray, MUCH better audio) through my Eximus. They are lovely for movies-which have a much higher dynamic range than movies-didn't really matter what amp I used as the bass was always kicking with movies on the Senn. The 3D imaging of the DP-1 is a REAL treat for both movies and games. I got rid of a couple of Dolby Headphone devices as the stereo seemed much more impressive. I'd love to try a Realiser sometime-but don't think I'd have the time/patience for it's relatively high learning curve.

 

Gladiator OST on blu: tear-jerking. ph34r.gif Avatar action scenes: AWESOME. basshead.gif

 

-Daniel


Edited by BournePerfect - 8/16/13 at 8:17pm
post #4844 of 19853

Avengers Blu-ray is awesome from oppo103->uber Bifrost -> Taboo MKIII

Whole new way to watch movies for me...

post #4845 of 19853
Yeah, I just plug in to my TV headphone out (bass is just SLAMMM!!) + Yamaha home theatre with sub (when time permit) => sound all around, clear mids, rumble. Iam in the movie ....
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