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At least my white screen one has sufficient treble splash but zero vocal brightess (upper mid glare, grain).
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I'll cry if after 12 hrs it doesn't sound good biggrin.gif

 

Too true - so far it's pretty damn transparent, but that could be my brain tricking me out of crying lol.  I'm thinking of building more of the cable but not sure if my nerves would hold out, or whether people would like the ergonomics which are unavoidably bothersome and trigger the hell out of my audiophile nervosa.  Basically the cable does what it wants and I sit around it lol.

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I've been enjoying my HD800 for a while now, and it seems they have drawn my close relationship with my previously beloved 4.Ai to an end. Though they may have a similar sound signature, the 4.Ai comes nowhere close in terms of detail retrieval and sounds "mushy" in comparison. I am looking to upgrade within six months and have been considering several different CIEMs. Right now the Unique Melody Miracle and 1964 Ears V6 stand at the top of my list--have any of you guys been able to find CIEMs comparable to the almighty HD800?

In terms of clarity, my JH16's are as close as I have found to the HD800's.

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Too true - so far it's pretty damn transparent, but that could be my brain tricking me out of crying lol.  I'm thinking of building more of the cable but not sure if my nerves would hold out, or whether people would like the ergonomics which are unavoidably bothersome and trigger the hell out of my audiophile nervosa.  Basically the cable does what it wants and I sit around it lol.

Yeah it does look pretty thick and cumbersome hehe. I'm going with a single run, but i'll be sleeving it with real carbon fiber and a Viablue y-splitter, along with a right-angle amphenol TRS jack for my BH Crack. It should look pretty nice! biggrin.gif

 


Edited by brunk - 8/16/13 at 6:25am
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Yeah it does look pretty thick and cumbersome hehe. I'm going with a single run, but i'll be sleeving it with real carbon fiber and a Viablue y-splitter, along with a right-angle amphenol TRS jack for my BH Crack. It should look pretty nice! biggrin.gif

 

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That carbon fibre tubing looks cool, the cable should look great!

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Originally Posted by brunk View Post

Yeah it does look pretty thick and cumbersome hehe. I'm going with a single run, but i'll be sleeving it with real carbon fiber and a Viablue y-splitter, along with a right-angle amphenol TRS jack for my BH Crack. It should look pretty nice! biggrin.gif






Getting a little off topic, but you aren't going to want to use carbon fiber as an outer layer. The strands break easily and can embed themselves into your skin, causing irritation. It can be covered in clear heatshrink, but that will only work for a static interconnect as it would be far too stiff for a headphone cable. Makes a great shielding layer, but terrible outer layer.
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In your opinion or experience, which amp pairs best with the HD800?
At that price point, the Decware CSP2+
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Originally Posted by FatmanSize48 View Post

I would like to add I have read several CIEM review threads/articles, but would like input from fellow HD800 owners.
You will find many owners of both HD800 and Ultimate Ears Reference Monitors. I own both and they are similar.
Edited by Maxvla - 8/16/13 at 8:52am
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For those considering aftermarket cables - you might want to take a few minutes to peruse a couple of the threads which discuss soldering hd800 connectors.  In summary, as I understand it, the pins within the hd800 connectors are so tiny that it is physically impossible for large guage (e.g. 18awg) cables sold by certain retailers to be fully attached to them...  This has led to some interesting comments and questions by a number of head-fi veterans and even MOT's as to what's really going on underneath the heatshrink.   http://www.head-fi.org/t/467620/hd800-connectors-are-you-kidding-me/30

 

I've been reading up on this because I plan to either buy or diy a cable with a 4 pin xlr connector to use with my incoming bh mainline (so note that I am not a true cable naysayer).

 

That said, hyperbole and suggestions that exotic cables will shift frequency response and tame the hd800's 6khz mini-peak have to be taken with a grain of salt.  If true, this is something that would clearly show up in software like diffmaker, but reputable cable makers are generally candid about the fact that the improvements they believe their cables bring about can't be measured by traditional means.  Such measurements don't tell the whole story.  Look at the O2 for example, which measures like a champ but has a definite edge to its sound that probably correlates to a design based on the use of gobs of global negative feedback to drop the noise floor.  Cables may well make a beneficial difference based on criteria we haven't yet developed the means to measure, but obvious changes in FR is not something anyone should be expecting in upgrading their hp cable.

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^good post. 

 

There is nothing wrong with the stock cable sonically. But its too long rolleyes.gif

 

Hard to put a figure on it, but I'm guessing probably 95% of HD800 users are close to their equipment when using them. Shorter is always better with audio signals. 

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

^good post. 

 

There is nothing wrong with the stock cable sonically. But its too long rolleyes.gif

 

Hard to put a figure on it, but I'm guessing probably 95% of HD800 users are close to their equipment when using them. Shorter is always better with audio signals. 

I find it the perfect length-mainly when I need it while lying in bed watching movies with them on a 65" plasma. Other than that-yeah maybe a hair too long.

 

-Daniel

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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post

For those considering aftermarket cables - you might want to take a few minutes to peruse a couple of the threads which discuss soldering hd800 connectors.  In summary, as I understand it, the pins within the hd800 connectors are so tiny that it is physically impossible for large guage (e.g. 18awg) cables sold by certain retailers to be fully attached to them...  This has led to some interesting comments and questions by a number of head-fi veterans and even MOT's as to what's really going on underneath the heatshrink.   http://www.head-fi.org/t/467620/hd800-connectors-are-you-kidding-me/30

 

I've been reading up on this because I plan to either buy or diy a cable with a 4 pin xlr connector to use with my incoming bh mainline (so note that I am not a true cable naysayer).

 

That said, hyperbole and suggestions that exotic cables will shift frequency response and tame the hd800's 6khz mini-peak have to be taken with a grain of salt.  If true, this is something that would clearly show up in software like diffmaker, but reputable cable makers are generally candid about the fact that the improvements they believe their cables bring about can't be measured by traditional means.  Such measurements don't tell the whole story.  Look at the O2 for example, which measures like a champ but has a definite edge to its sound that probably correlates to a design based on the use of gobs of global negative feedback to drop the noise floor.  Cables may well make a beneficial difference based on criteria we haven't yet developed the means to measure, but obvious changes in FR is not something anyone should be expecting in upgrading their hp cable.

 

 

Take out all connectors and hardwire them.  

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

Take out all connectors and hardwire them.  

Question remains why? If there's no sonic difference, that is.

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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

Question remains why? If there's no sonic difference, that is.

 

Just in case.  Ha ha ha ...

post #4845 of 14758
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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post

For those considering aftermarket cables - you might want to take a few minutes to peruse a couple of the threads which discuss soldering hd800 connectors.  In summary, as I understand it, the pins within the hd800 connectors are so tiny that it is physically impossible for large guage (e.g. 18awg) cables sold by certain retailers to be fully attached to them...  This has led to some interesting comments and questions by a number of head-fi veterans and even MOT's as to what's really going on underneath the heatshrink.   http://www.head-fi.org/t/467620/hd800-connectors-are-you-kidding-me/30


I've been reading up on this because I plan to either buy or diy a cable with a 4 pin xlr connector to use with my incoming bh mainline (so note that I am not a true cable naysayer).

That said, hyperbole and suggestions that exotic cables will shift frequency response and tame the hd800's 6khz mini-peak have to be taken with a grain of salt.  If true, this is something that would clearly show up in software like diffmaker, but reputable cable makers are generally candid about the fact that the improvements they believe their cables bring about can't be measured by traditional means.  Such measurements don't tell the whole story.  Look at the O2 for example, which measures like a champ but has a definite edge to its sound that probably correlates to a design based on the use of gobs of global negative feedback to drop the noise floor.  Cables may well make a beneficial difference based on criteria we haven't yet developed the means to measure, but obvious changes in FR is not something anyone should be expecting in upgrading their hp cable.

I have made several HD800 cables and it is more the room available inside the body of the connector than the pins themselves that are the issue. Even the wider bodied connectors that some makers are using are tiny compared to a mini XLR. Definitely the bulk of any very thick wire will remain outside the connectors with a small twist of wire going to the pins, but I'm not sure that should matter or be considered some sort of fraud or evil secret since the pins themselves are tiny and the wires inside the headphone are thin as well.

Then again, I make my cables to change the aesthetics and ergonomics as opposed to the sound. Someone really looking for measurable changes should look into the Anax mod variants.
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