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post #406 of 13996
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Originally Posted by Spakka View Post

 

 

Hey I'm just making sarcastic comments about this arbitrary number where they 'changed' the HD800!

 

But they never did change them.  There will always be variances between driver pairs.  I bet you could listen to a pair made a year from now and find it to sound quite different from the one you own.

post #407 of 13996
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Originally Posted by RustA View Post

 

Maybe it is (I haven't heard older HD800 to compare myself)... But why people keep talking about "almost bassless HD800, without impact... lifeless... boring... bright and sharp in treble..."? confused.gif I was so confused by that and was thinking about getting LCD-3 instead (even though they cost extremely much in Europe). However, after hearing HD800, I sold my LCD-2 and have zero interest in LCD-3 since HD800 are exactly what I wanted. I can finally focus on upgrading the rest of my chain now...

My 17XXX are almost bassless, without impact... lifeless... boring... bright and sharp in treble. 

 

Which has me looking to try other amps :/

post #408 of 13996
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Originally Posted by IPodPJ View Post

 

But they never did change them.  There will always be variances between driver pairs.  I bet you could listen to a pair made a year from now and find it to sound quite different from the one you own.

 

Which is what I said in my post!

 

 rolleyes.gif

 

Anyways moving on...

post #409 of 13996
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Originally Posted by fejnomit View Post

Naturally the HD800s are some of the most sensitive cans out there in terms of being affected by all aspects of the playback chain (including cable but I promise not to go there.blink.gif)

I personally have never had any issue with the HD800's bass response and I'm 10K+.  Nearly every time I have felt un-jazzed about them it ends up having to do with the recording I'm listening to.  Mixers should use them, as they can reveal a poorly recorded bottom end better than any other phone I've heard.  The T-1s and the Hifimen and the Audez'es all compensate a bit on the lower end.  Also, let's keep in mind there is big difference between "full" bass and actual, real bass.  By this I mean that bass can boom and sound like "more" bass when it's really just distortion.  Not unpleasing, but distortion nonetheless.  And intentional sometimes too.  I would go so far as to say that if you want to know how much bass your recordings actually have, you will come closest by using the HD800s.  Same goes for tubes - if you want to determine the tubes that enhance and add to the perceived fullness of the bass in your recordings then use the HD800s - unbelievable the way they respond to this kind of rolling... Speaking of which --

 

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Mullard ECC35...

 

I'm glad you mentioned this - I use this tube on my BA and it is hands down the best driver for both the HD800 and the LCD-3.  That perfect combination of incisive dynamics, detail, and richness of tone.  A perfect complement to the HD800s...

I have a Mullard MC1 12ax7 in mine and it's sublime.

post #410 of 13996
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

My older pair was my 4th favorite headphone after the HE-4, LCD-3 and the T1.  Now my new pair comes in 2nd or tied for second with the LCD-3 depending on the track.  I really don't care what Purin says - I can hear the difference in the two pair I've owned.

 

So, I'm guessing #1 is the 009? :)

post #411 of 13996
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Originally Posted by jeffreyfranz View Post

 

So, I'm guessing #1 is the 009? :)

 

Well I don't own the 009 yet..   It would be If I owned it - I was in aw when I gave it a good listen for a while.  For now it's the HE-6 on the First Watt F1J amp

post #412 of 13996

Anyone else using the Musical Fidelity M1 HPA amp with the HD800?

post #413 of 13996
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

My older pair was my 4th favorite headphone after the HE-4, LCD-3 and the T1.  Now my new pair comes in 2nd or tied for second with the LCD-3 depending on the track.  I really don't care what Purin says - I can hear the difference in the two pair I've owned.

 

I can think if three reasons why the HD800 seem different.  The first is that there is a different.  Maybe it's a unit to unit difference, or maybe it's that something has been changes and everything more recent than XYZ is better. The second possibility (for some people) is that the rest of the equipment changed in some way (different DAC, amp, etc).

 

There is a third possibility. There has been some really interesting research looking at how decisions we make actually change us. Choices we make aren't just a one time decision, but each choice we make does a little bit of rewiring in our brain giving us a bias toward things we have chosen. This is described in the book The Paradox of Choice and there is a nice example of this in the TED Talk The surprising science of happiness Dan Gilbert (9:50 minutes and following).

 

--Mark

post #414 of 13996
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Originally Posted by Painterspal View Post

 

 

+1

 

I own 19828 and I absolutely adore them. I was really uncertain about buying them reading all the reviews and half expected them to be bass light and clinical. Not a bit of it. In my rig they couldn't be more musical, balanced and extended. Even with electronic music like Bjork they really shine and the bass is genuinely spectacular.  

 

I'm so glad I sold my LCD2r2, they never did it for me.


+1 on the Bjork. Try the Caravan Palace Panic album. The HD800s ROCK that album. I can't stop going back to it.

post #415 of 13996
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Originally Posted by kazsud View Post

My 17XXX are almost bassless, without impact... lifeless... boring... bright and sharp in treble. 

 

Which has me looking to try other amps :/

 

Currently I'm happy with the Schitt Bifrost/Lyr combo. I'm still tube rolling however. It's been less than a month. I also have the Asgard for comparative purposes. The Asgard is nice when you switch to it. Really sharp. A hair faster. But when you switch back to the Lyr there's an instant "Holy Schitt!" moment.  The HD800s or the amp fall apart with really busy stuff however.

 

Example, Jean-Micheal Jars Zoolook. IMHO when it peaks in the first half, either the Lyr or the HD800s totally fall apart. There's just too much detail, dynamics and space. The house of cards collapses. I know for fact the Monitor Audio 952's (speakers) can pull it off with ease. The 952s will do that stuff all day long and also have that "room clearing power... you need."

 

Having been exposed to a lot of high audio in my teens and early twenties, I'm wondering if headphones is the right route for me. Maybe its time to dig out that junk pair of Stax electrets SR-40s I have buries at the bottom of a junk box somewhere and see how they stack up to the 800s.

post #416 of 13996
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Originally Posted by verber View Post

There is a third possibility. There has been some really interesting research looking at how decisions we make actually change us. 

 

The problem with this theory is then it would have also occurred on our previous HD800 purchases as well.  The fact I went into this expecting the HD800 to be sold off again and an HE-6 to be brought in would suggest I was wired to dislike the HD800 ;)

 

On the gear argument...  I can't imagine everyone since 19000+ happened to change their rig in a way favourable to the HD800 while optimizing for another can, LCD-3 in my case.  Especially when many of us are were previously using the gear early HD800 owners are currently using and didn't like it.

 

For me my previous two tries were...

 

Stello DA220 MkII > B22 > HD800

W4S DAC-2 > Apex Peak > HD800

 

On both rigs I thought the LCD-2 Rev1 and then LCD-3 were better everywhere.  Staging included because though huge and well placed, those times the sound was so distant.  My notes literally refer to it as elevator music, completely void of life or engagement.

 

Now I have the PWD2 > Soloist > HD800 and it wasn't even funny how fast the LCD-2 got curbed.  The bass is propulsive, mids are warm and the treble isn't hot in the least.  And the presentation is laser focused and forward.  Dark tunes are dark, bright ones tolerable.  Wouldn't even dream of modding these to reduce the treble.  I listen to music mostly falling into the 'rock' overarching genre for reference.

 

What ever the reason... this pair isn't leaving :p

post #417 of 13996
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Originally Posted by NightFlight View Post

 

Currently I'm happy with the Schitt Bifrost/Lyr combo. I'm still tube rolling however. It's been less than a month. I also have the Asgard for comparative purposes. The Asgard is nice when you switch to it. Really sharp. A hair faster. But when you switch back to the Lyr there's an instant "Holy Schitt!" moment.  The HD800s or the amp fall apart with really busy stuff however.

 

Example, Jean-Micheal Jars Zoolook. IMHO when it peaks in the first half, either the Lyr or the HD800s totally fall apart. There's just too much detail, dynamics and space. The house of cards collapses. I know for fact the Monitor Audio 952's (speakers) can pull it off with ease. The 952s will do that stuff all day long and also have that "room clearing power... you need."

 

Having been exposed to a lot of high audio in my teens and early twenties, I'm wondering if headphones is the right route for me. Maybe its time to dig out that junk pair of Stax electrets SR-40s I have buries at the bottom of a junk box somewhere and see how they stack up to the 800s.

Usually it the amp that cant handle the swing of the recordings. The hd800 us very easy to drive but will scale up with upstream amps.  The headphone can handle everything and I have never hear  it collapse even on my most demanding albums. I have hdcd recordings that will challenge the most demanding systems and the HD800 always performs.  I came from ultra high end 2 channel and had the 15K Genesis V driven by another 20K worth of amps ad preamps and sources and the HD800 satisfy me and very happy with my setup. Keep working at and try different amps and sources and maybe you will find the right combo for you. It takes a bit of time to adjust but I find the experience more intimate and hardly use speakers anymore,

post #418 of 13996

Hmm.. so Bjork is good with HD 800? Will try tonight.. I've listened to Chuck Mangione "Feels So Good" 38 times or more non-stop last night.

 

In any case, I think my HD 800 is a superb all-arounder

post #419 of 13996
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Originally Posted by Girls Generation View Post

Hmm sometimes it seems like the HD800 is creating soundstage that wasn't meant to be. Sometimes. 

Well I have heard artificial soundstage before, usually with surround sound emulation, echoey headphones, manipulation of frequency response or blurring of edges. HD800 has very good time domain performance, there is little to no thickening or bloom to the sound. This is most definitely accurate, however whether the frequency response is contributing to the stage size is another matter and something I haven't looked into personally save for doing anax mod.
post #420 of 13996
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Originally Posted by NightFlight View Post

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Originally Posted by kazsud View Post

My 17XXX are almost bassless, without impact... lifeless... boring... bright and sharp in treble. 

 

Which has me looking to try other amps :/

 

Currently I'm happy with the Schitt Bifrost/Lyr combo. I'm still tube rolling however. It's been less than a month. I also have the Asgard for comparative purposes. The Asgard is nice when you switch to it. Really sharp. A hair faster. But when you switch back to the Lyr there's an instant "Holy Schitt!" moment.  The HD800s or the amp fall apart with really busy stuff however.

 

Example, Jean-Micheal Jars Zoolook. IMHO when it peaks in the first half, either the Lyr or the HD800s totally fall apart. There's just too much detail, dynamics and space. The house of cards collapses. I know for fact the Monitor Audio 952's (speakers) can pull it off with ease. The 952s will do that stuff all day long and also have that "room clearing power... you need."

 

Having been exposed to a lot of high audio in my teens and early twenties, I'm wondering if headphones is the right route for me. Maybe its time to dig out that junk pair of Stax electrets SR-40s I have buries at the bottom of a junk box somewhere and see how they stack up to the 800s.

 

The Bifrost and Lyr are far from ideal for the HD800. Try some Amperex Bugle Boys though. They're much better than the 6N23P-EV, with very good clarity and coherence in busy passages. As transparent as the Lyr can be with the HD800 at the end of the chain.

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