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post #4036 of 19168
Thanks again, RedBull. Now the hunt for a nice used HD800 begins!
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post #4038 of 19168
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Thanks again, RedBull. Now the hunt for a nice used HD800 begins!

 

Why you think they wont sound good out your Master 6 or Soloist?

post #4039 of 19168
Because I find the stock HD800 light sounding with a dry treble driven by a SS amp. I plan doing the Anaxilus mod (or similar) and with a bass boost at hand on the Leben, I can get the bass quantity I want, hopefully. The very low output impedance of my two SS amps doesn't help either, while I expect the Leben to have something to add there. Also, since I felt the 800 was dry sounding (in the treble), tubes might be a good choice. Who knows? Time will tell.
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Because I find the stock HD800 light sounding with a dry treble driven by a SS amp. I plan doing the Anaxilus mod (or similar) and with a bass boost at hand on the Leben, I can get the bass quantity I want, hopefully. The very low output impedance of my two SS amps doesn't help either, while I expect the Leben to have something to add there. Also, since I felt the 800 was dry sounding (in the treble), tubes might be a good choice. Who knows? Time will tell.

 

Awww man - just get the GS-X mk2 biggrin.gif

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Because I find the stock HD800 light sounding with a dry treble driven by a SS amp. I plan doing the Anaxilus mod (or similar) and with a bass boost at hand on the Leben, I can get the bass quantity I want, hopefully. The very low output impedance of my two SS amps doesn't help either, while I expect the Leben to have something to add there. Also, since I felt the 800 was dry sounding (in the treble), tubes might be a good choice. Who knows? Time will tell.

 

Good hunting!  I hope you enjoy the Leben.

 

Good thing is, I can enjoy Leben in two ways. 

For acoustics, I leave the bass boost at neutral, for Hip hop or mainstream pop music, I boost the bass one notch.  This will smoothen the harsh mids from poorly recorded music and really add a good slam, more rounded slam, not the tight type kick.  Good stuff. It's like having 2 amps in one box with a switch of a button.

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Awww man - just get the GS-X mk2 biggrin.gif

 

Get the Leben

 

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post #4044 of 19168
Im not a "tube guy" but I will admit the Crack (with Speedball) does sound very good with the HD800. Ive never done it, but tested blind, I believe you would be hard-pressed to guess it was a tube amp.

And this is because "tube sound" is a myth IMO. Yes, an amp can sound "tubey," but that doesn't mean all tube amps sound tubey. Ive heard plenty that don't. Actually, after listening to many amps of all varieties, I believe that most amps, regardless of topology, sound fairly similar. This is the context of how the HD800 sounds far different from the HD600 - the difference between headphones is huge compared to the differences between amps.

Using an amp or DAC to "tune" your system is just nuts to me.
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Using an amp or DAC to "tune" your system is just nuts to me.

 

But palmfish.   Amps are not cookie cutters.  All amps will not sound good with the HD800s.  So you have your Headphones - HD800s.  You'll just use any ole amp?  Or will you "tune" your chain with the amp that "you" think sounds better with your choice of headphone - "HD800"?

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Awww man - just get the GS-X mk2 biggrin.gif

This!

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But palmfish.   Amps are not cookie cutters.  All amps will not sound good with the HD800s.  So you have your Headphones - HD800s.  You'll just use any ole amp?  Or will you "tune" your chain with the amp that "you" think sounds better with your choice of headphone - "HD800"?

My comment above does not account for amps that dont pair with a given headphone for certain reasons - output impedance being a big factor. My Carver sounded terrible with my HD800's to me, probably because the output impedance is around 600 ohms. On the other hand, my daughter liked the combo...

The Crack has a 100 ohm output impedance and plays better with the HD800. I listened to the Crack again just yesterday and it was nice - tight bass, clear treble, clean smooth background. A smidge darker and meatier than the new Bottlehead Mainline, which is as "solid state" sounding as any tube amp Ive heard.

On paper, the Crack shouldnt sound good, but this just reinforces my opinion (based on personal experience) that for the most part, amps that are thoughtfully designed all sound much more similar than different. Im tempted to buy a Crack kit just for fun. I know, this coming from me -a died in the wool objectivist! I say its a hobby and its ok to have fun with it. And I will reiterate, the HD800 sounds good plugged into a Crack.
Edited by palmfish - 7/28/13 at 6:13pm
post #4048 of 19168
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. Yes, an amp can sound "tubey," but that doesn't mean all tube amps sound tubey. Ive heard plenty that don't.

If you mean by "it doesn't sound tubey", that it sound like a regular solid state, then I'd guess there's no benefit of getting a "tube amp" over a "solid state" one.

You get the tube amps for that tube sound, or I'm missing the point.

 

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the difference between headphones is huge compared to the differences between amps.

Using an amp or DAC to "tune" your system is just nuts to me.

This not what I  read often.  Just recently some head-fier tried to run the hd800  from an o2+ odac, and said it was an horrible experience, although he was unable to explain, except that there's "nothing musical" to the hd800 (I  must precise he listen house, techno, rock ...).

I   guess he wouldn't be more happy with a bottlehead crack ?

What drive me nuts it's the spreading of misinformation with answers like "crap in, crap out" ( I don't think that o2+dac is by any standard "crap", except for price) .   And stuff like "the hd800 scale well", as if you gonna reach the sky by spending endlessly more for a "better source".

Or the concept of "synnergy" (transparent source is transparent)

Also I don't think it's an accident  that the orpheus is drived with an amp with lot of tube (you know where the "lush sound" description, comes from).

Beating the horse that is not yet completely dead, sorry.

post #4049 of 19168

Someone hasn't heard a good tube amp yet. For shame. You're missing out on superior soundstaging, microdynamics, superior detail-all without the harshness or digital glare and flat 2D soundstaging that pervades 'typical' solid-state. Oh yeah, and all the musicality and emotion you can't shake a stick at-but it can't be measured yet so the O2 is king. Geez I wish I was 10 again, it was so simple then. confused_face.gif

 

-Daniel


Edited by BournePerfect - 7/28/13 at 6:43pm
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Someone hasn't heard a good tube amp yet. For shame. You're missing out on superior soundstaging, microdynamics, superior detail-all without the harshness or digital glare and flat 2D soundstaging that pervades 'typical' solid-state. Oh yeah, and all the musicality and emotion you can't shake a stick at-but it can't be measured yet so the O2 is king. Geez I wish I was 10 again, it was so simple then. confused_face.gif

 

-Daniel

 

 

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