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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

Definitely don't need to crank the HD800's to get bass.

 

Depends on upstream equipment, even cabling, if your system doesn't produce much bass, HD800's will sound bass shy.  If your system produces good bass, HD800's will make good bass.

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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Overkill actually but that said there certainly isn't a downside to higher bit or sampling rates other than storage assuming your gear CAN actually do higher rates without dropping to a lower operating mode.  Ie most DACs before the Sabre days can't do 192 without dropping down to 4x oversampling.  Which is why the Benchmark DAC1 chose 110K? as their upsampling number because it's the ceiling for keeping 8x oversampling.  That's completely ignoring that it's easier to generate and read a 44K spdif stream than a 192K one.

 

In my system I find that I can't hear much improvement past 24/96, but 24/96 sounds clearly better than 16/44.1.  I think a lot has to do with the upstream digital components, and as you say the maximum sampling rate the DAC can handle without dropping the oversampling filter multiplier.  There's no point spending extra money, using more HDD space etc unless improvements can be heard with the equipment one is running.  In any case HD800's wont be the bottleneck.

 

@preproman those are great looking cables, even if there is no difference to hear, one has to admire the work that went into these, the attention to detail EG the modified connector etc.  RE dust filter it depends what other damping mods you are running.  The drivers themselves have a pretty fine (small holes) mesh screen over them, so I wouldn't be concerned on that front.

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Originally Posted by drez View Post

 

Depends on upstream equipment, even cabling, if your system doesn't produce much bass, HD800's will sound bass shy.  If your system produces good bass, HD800's will make good bass.

 

The answer was not about the system but about whether the HD800's can do bass without being cranked, and absolutely yes they can.

 

If the system does not have much bass then even bass heavy headphones won't be able to produce bass. That has nothing to do with the HD800's ability to do bass without being 'cranked'.

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I'm finally sticking to my original mod, two half of sponge you put above layer dust.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/650510/the-new-hd800-appreciation-thread/3900#post_9642447

 

I tried to tweak my mod these last 3 days , without much success (trying to put it below dust cover, reshaping it,  or using an other kind of material etc ...).  Sometimes best impression is the first one, and obviously I don't understand fully how it works.

 

 

 

The hd800 may loose some of it's "chirurgical presentation", precision,  but it's just more enjoyable overall.  Treble is tamed and I  had to admit that bass is more meaty.

The bass (and to a lesser extent mids) have more texture to offer to my hungry ears, that were starving even when trying to boost lows with eq (or using all kind of other dsp).

 

I  don't fully understand how it works.... but it works.

I  was worried that the mod would be a downgrade the sound quality, considering  that the hd800 is expensive. So sorry if I  compared again to my modded srh940. It seems the frequency balance is more  similar, but the hd800 is still better (more clarity, more open, and clearly a better bass).

 

I wish though that there would be a headphone that would provide a more optimal out of the box, experience, without having to mod it, nor to pay premium price of the hd800.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/27/13 at 9:01am
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On my Audiolab M-Dac 24/96 high-res music sounds amazing. When I first heard a high-res album downloaded from Linn Records it was a whole new musical experience ( like going from DVD to Blu-ray). Since then I always try to get high-res downloads of Albums. There is a very good video on youtube explaining how High-res digital music is getting closer and closer to Analog. Search under benefits of DSD. The explain the whole concept very clearly. I wont be able to do justice to it. Here I found the link 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ3HRjFI6F0

 

Enjoy.

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I picked up a Pioneer SX-750 today and really good for $140. I hooked it to my Dac-100 and listened to it for about an hour and one of the main things that stood out was it's non-fatuiging. I was hoping the bass/treble adjustments would work for the headphone out.

 

Does anyone know if the headphone out varies at all on the different SX models?

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Don't know about the SX750 but my SX1010 has tone controls that work for the headphone out as well.
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Originally Posted by zigy626 View Post

On my Audiolab M-Dac 24/96 high-res music sounds amazing. When I first heard a high-res album downloaded from Linn Records it was a whole new musical experience ( like going from DVD to Blu-ray). Since then I always try to get high-res downloads of Albums.

Well the album "the slip" nine inch nails , is available for free at both resolution  44.1hz/16 bit

96hz/24 bit, lossless, and I  bet you won't be able to hear any differences (despite being  with a  detailed "industrial" sound) , or better , abx any track.

Probably you hear difference on high res version because it's mastered in a different way.

Reminds me the SHM-CD,  cd that are supposed to sound better because of "better" materials.

I  hate them, because usually they have more loudness compression.

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True that.. was disappointed with the 24/96 Hotel California. I really can't tell the difference between the hi-rez download and the CD ripped as lossless. On the other half, Long Road Out of Eden ripped from CD is simply stunning!

I don't go past 24/96 - It's hit and miss for me at HD Tracks though the Chesky stuff is stunning.

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Yeah I do appreciate hd tracks and they can sound amazing with voice and acoustic instruments. Bit pointless with most pop music however, or old remasterings. With the former you can't polish a turd and most pop is already compressed and mashed up so no amount of bits is gonna help, even at the first stages of recording it. And the latter, you can't add what isn't there in the first place. 


Edited by MickeyVee - 7/27/13 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by MickeyVee View Post

True that.. was disappointed with the 24/96 Hotel California. I really can't tell the difference between the hi-rez download and the CD ripped as lossless. On the other half, Long Road Out of Eden ripped from CD is simply stunning!
I don't go past 24/96 - It's hit and miss for me at HD Tracks though the Chesky stuff is stunning.

Chesky (and other labels of a similar vein) are proof that high Rez is no better than redbook and that the recording and mastering is what matters.
Edited by palmfish - 7/27/13 at 7:50pm
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i knew there was a reason I held on to all those CD's....

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i can tell an improvement between 24/96 and CD, but it depends on the recording, otherwise there really wouldn't be a difference. between 24/96, 24/192 and SACD, the difference is practically nothing. though i think some SACD's can be a little smoother but once again, it mostly just depends on the recording quality.

 

now mp3 is different. 320kbps and CD is a very small difference not generally noticed. but anything lower and it becomes quite obvious. 320kbps and better recorded lossless, it becomes more obvious.

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Thought I'd ask here.  Have anyone seen or used one of these?  I seen it at the CAF today and thought wow.

 

 

 

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wow that looks cool!!

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Heh, does look cool, are those water cooling hoses on the back? (before someone jumps on it I am kidding about the water cooling)tongue_smile.gif

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Thought I'd ask here.  Have anyone seen or used one of these?  I seen it at the CAF today and thought wow.

 

 

 

 

That's a wonderful player.  I spent a while listening to it at RMAF last year in the Modwright room.  I have one of their preamps, and I've yet to hear anything that Dan Wright has made that I didn't thoroughly enjoy.  That's one of the best universal players I've heard to date.

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