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Originally Posted by zigy626 View Post

 Never really enjoyed the Hifiman He 500 that much. The soundstage was very closed and they were heavy and cumbersome. Don't even start me on that thin silver/copper cable. Cant compare He500 to the HD800 which is in a class of it own. Hifiman needs to work on quality control issues. Maybe one day they can pay as much attention to detail as Sennheiser pays to the HD800. Especially with each headphone getting its frequency graph. Just look at the fine mesh that goes over the driver on HD800, means nothing was left to chance. You dont need to worry about dust/hair getting in the driver, which means perfect sound every time. 

 

The Hifiman definitely has some quality control issues. But at less than half the cost of the HD800, I can forgive some cut corners. I replaced the crappy cable it came with as I couldn't stand its microphonics. I doubt Hifiman will ever be up to the manufacturing standards of Sennheiser, but Sennheiser is also a much larger company with more resources than Hifiman. There's definitely room for improvement though. I love both headphones but overall I prefer the sound of the Hifiman. Much more euphonic and fun to listen to, even if it is technically inferior. Also, the Hifiman has dust screens on both sides of the driver as well.

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Couple of things.  The HE-500 is much faster than the HD800, the HD800 comes to rest faster but the actual pulse speed, HE-500.  The cable for all HiFiMAN orthos is massively thicker than the HD800's 36awg cable. Other Senn cables are even thinner.  Don't confuse sheathe thickness for cable gauge.  HE-500 bass sounds thicker because it tilts up into the sub bass while the HD800 tilts to the warmth area then drops.  Tight vs Full bass.  Studio monitor vs stand alone subwoofer.


Edited by Solude - 7/26/13 at 3:00am
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Couple of things.  The HE-500 is much faster than the HD800, the HD800 comes to rest faster but the actual pulse speed, HE-500.  The cable for all HiFiMAN orthos is massively thicker than the HD800's 36awg cable. Other Senn cables are even thinner.  Don't confuse sheathe thickness for cable gauge.  HE-500 bass sounds thicker because it tilts up into the sub bass while the HD800 tilts to the warmth area then drops.  Tight vs Full bass.  Studio monitor vs stand alone subwoofer.

 

I am aware of the crappy cable on the HD800. I replaced that one as well wink.gif

 

Anyways, regardless of graphs and measurements, the point I was trying to make is the HE-500's bass sounds slower and thicker. That's why people describe it as "wooly". It's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just different. It's all preference.

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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Couple of things.  The HE-500 is much faster than the HD800, the HD800 comes to rest faster but the actual pulse speed, HE-500.  The cable for all HiFiMAN orthos is massively thicker than the HD800's 36awg cable. Other Senn cables are even thinner.  Don't confuse sheathe thickness for cable gauge.  HE-500 bass sounds thicker because it tilts up into the sub bass while the HD800 tilts to the warmth area then drops.  Tight vs Full bass.  Studio monitor vs stand alone subwoofer.

 

In this case, which is the studio monitor? I know you've likened the HD-800 to a studio monitor before, but since you're comparing the HD-800 to something else, I was thinking the comparison might be different this time. It does seem like you're saying the HD-800 is like the studio monitor, though...

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Yes HD800 has monitor bass, ie tight. I didn't come up with the analogy but it fits.
Edited by Solude - 7/26/13 at 3:42am
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Originally Posted by fuzzybaffy View Post

 

In this case, which is the studio monitor? I know you've likened the HD-800 to a studio monitor before, but since you're comparing the HD-800 to something else, I was thinking the comparison might be different this time. It does seem like you're saying the HD-800 is like the studio monitor, though...

 

Tight = Studio monitor = HD800

Full = Subwoofer = HE-500

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I am finding the HD800 unforgiving on certain recordings. Example Michael Kiwanuka- Rest (distortion at the beginning of the song and further down the recording). Please can anyone concur. I have tried with the Koss Porta Pro and it just does not have the same level of detail as the HD800 rolleyes.gif. Thanks 

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Hi Zigy, I've just listen to that record as an alac cd rip (ripped using xld encoder for Mac) using I tunes >pure music>HDVD800>HD800 with stock cable and it sounds perfect to these ears. Not sure what's going on in your setup to give distortion. Hope this helps to at least eliminate the recording as the problem.
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Wake up your ears....L3000.gif

 

https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=HX090368080165

Can only get the free sampler here in the uk, got it a while ago :(  Shame coz I really want more HD music online. 

 

But its a great freebie! and the sound is effing amazing with the Senn's  

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lugBug I've just downloaded that from HD tracks in the uk. Some if their content is available here now smily_headphones1.gif
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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post

lugBug I've just downloaded that from HD tracks in the uk. Some if their content is available here now smily_headphones1.gif

Woop woop! 

 

cheers bud, I'll have to have another look :))

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Solude, stalker: Thanks.

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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post

Hi Zigy, I've just listen to that record as an alac cd rip (ripped using xld encoder for Mac) using I tunes >pure music>HDVD800>HD800 with stock cable and it sounds perfect to these ears. Not sure what's going on in your setup to give distortion. Hope this helps to at least eliminate the recording as the problem.

Thanks James-uk. I am not sure either. Could be a bad rip maybe. 

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Wake up your ears....L3000.gif

 

https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=HX090368080165

I have heard from friends of mine that if you are in UK you can use a good VPN provider that has a server in US. Add the album to the cart. Then pay via paypal (but disconnect from the VPN before paying). Once the transaction goes through connect back to the VPN (US Location) and download the album. Personally I have never tried it, just giving out theoretical information that it can be done. 

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