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post #3901 of 19574

How does the HD 800's bass compare to Hifiman HE 400's?

post #3902 of 19574
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Originally Posted by RedBull View Post

Is D1 = Anedio D1? D1 internal amp better than V200, for Hd800?

 

For me the internal amp is better than the V200 and didn't feel like I lost anything. It does have a different signature as the V200 is warmer. It's not a knock against the V200 which I think is a very versatile amp driving everything short of the HE6.

post #3903 of 19574
Thanks rawster. I guess better in the sense of resolution and soundstage? And what else?
post #3904 of 19574
I'm currently using my HD800s with a HDVD800 and I can't fault the pairing it sounds brilliant and I'm completely satisfied and I don't really don't need better sound......But because I can never stop looking for the best of the best I can't help wondering what a Stax sr009 sounds like. Now the problem is I will probably never hear one unless I buy it so I really want some opinions on whether a stax system is as good as its made out to be compared to a good HD800 setup and if so how much of an improvement are we talking? And is it worth going down that slippery slope?
post #3905 of 19574
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

So I've finally took a different approach to change the sound of hd800 to something more of my taste.

 

Thanks for sharing that. Looks pretty easy to do and easy to reverse as well. Also maybe try thinner foam for a more subtle result perhaps?  

post #3906 of 19574
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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post

I'm currently using my HD800s with a HDVD800 and I can't fault the pairing it sounds brilliant and I'm completely satisfied and I don't really don't need better sound......But because I can never stop looking for the best of the best I can't help wondering what a Stax sr009 sounds like. Now the problem is I will probably never hear one unless I buy it so I really want some opinions on whether a stax system is as good as its made out to be compared to a good HD800 setup and if so how much of an improvement are we talking? And is it worth going down that slippery slope?

In the long run, your curiosity will probably get the best of you (and your wallet will hate it). However, I own/ed both and I can tell you a few things:

-Stax SR-009 has a more linear treble than HD800, without any peaks and resonances. Detail retrieval is a lot better with the 009.

-The bass is more dynamic with the HD800s. For me the weakest point with the SR009s was the little quantity of bass, and this was certainly not neutral. The quantity of bass is lowered even when the record calls for it.

-Mid-range is amazing with the 009, you can find nothing to complain about.

-Imaging is more precise with the 009s. Sound stage is wider and has more air with the HD800s, which can at times be very unnatural to these ears.

post #3907 of 19574
So would you say the difference is more a preference thing or is it just in a different league? ( my wallet hopes its preference !) for example I loved my hd650s and I still listen to them and enjoy them lots but the 800s are no doubt in a different league, is the difference that big or more 'side grade' / splitting hairs? Oh and thanks for the feedback it's much appreciated.
post #3908 of 19574
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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post

So would you say the difference is more a preference thing or is it just in a different league? ( my wallet hopes its preference !) for example I loved my hd650s and I still listen to them and enjoy them lots but the 800s are no doubt in a different league, is the difference that big or more 'side grade' / splitting hairs? Oh and thanks for the feedback it's much appreciated.


To be honest with you, stats in general are very different from what you're used to dynamics. It depends on your personal taste. I even prefer my Lambdas to the HD800. To me the weakness in bass of the SR-009 does not put it in a different league, even though it price dictates it.

If you've never dabbled with electrostats, get a taste of it with the Stax SR-5 and an energizer for 100 GBP. The SR-5 have a good introductory sound to the Stax house sound, and the mid-range is what you will be pleased with the most.

post #3909 of 19574
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Thanks for sharing that. Looks pretty easy to do and easy to reverse as well. Also maybe try thinner foam for a more subtle result perhaps?  

Thanks for your interest.

I got a lot of these sponge at house, so this is what I  tried.

The thickness of the sponge may have an indirect impact, depending of how much it overlap the driver.

 

Here's the dust cover is removed to see what's happening when putting the sponge:

 

 

Note : the sponge doesn't touch the driver, there's actually a thin protection in front of it.

 

I've cut the round  "corner" of  sponge so that the contact is "flatter", and that it overlap less with the driver:

 

 

The fact that the sponge overlapp the driver , is not necessarily a bad thing.

If you look at the annax mod, there's width of the ring that overlap more or less the driver,

and according to innerfidelity this remove some treble near 3khz.

According to innerfidelity too, the thickness remove treble near 6khz.

 

Imho , the hd800 have by default some noticeable coloration near 6khz, and it's exhausting,

and the mod might replace it with an other, but it's doesn't grab attention,

and there's an additional "organic feel" ( no  well pronounced aggressiveness on the highs)  that add a touch of realism.

Lot of the "biting treble" is gone, but now I think that the hd800 stock sound, is like with some exciter dsp always on.

Perhaps the sennheiser engineers, thought it would "wow" the listener, but there are no exciters you'd like to listen all the time.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/24/13 at 11:02am
post #3910 of 19574

Today I really pushed the HD800. Wanted to see how loud it can get without distortion. I was amazed how loud the music got and without any distortion. I have to say I really enjoyed listening to Daft Punk blasting in my ears. Could have listened for a long time but the treble was a bit too much to take for my ears on some tracks. But wow the Lehmann really pushed this thing hard. Very impressed with the ring radiator driver. 

post #3911 of 19574
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Originally Posted by zigy626 View Post

Today I really pushed the HD800. Wanted to see how loud it can get without distortion. I was amazed how loud the music got and without any distortion. I have to say I really enjoyed listening to Daft Punk blasting in my ears. Could have listened for a long time but the treble was a bit too much to take for my ears on some tracks. But wow the Lehmann really pushed this thing hard. Very impressed with the ring radiator driver. 

 

I once put some 'music' earplugs in that mute anything over 85dB. Plugged the Senn into my (Corda Rock iirrc) and cranked thm nearly full dial. The INSANE bass at those volumes literally had the HD800s almost shaking loose from my head. Good times.

 

-Daniel

post #3912 of 19574

I  personally  think that boosting the volume to hear better the bass is not a good  idea. This either means that at normal volume there's already  too much of treble, or that the amount of bass is not enough  to be enjoyable.

 

On another note, I'm pretty happy with my last mod. The vibrations are so much more "life like" when listening dark ambient : it's not just sounds, but almost the physical thing. Probably the imaging, but I  can't imagine not having that, and after a taste of this, I  want to improve my mod again, since obviously the shape is not optimal.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/24/13 at 5:11pm
post #3913 of 19574

rolleyes.gif

 

Not sure where my EARPLUGS implied that I was boosting the volume for any other reason than to stress the HD800-the bass was a cool effect basshead.gif of the experiment. I think most would agree that boosting the volume to increase any frequency is a good idea-especially with headphones.

 

-Daniel

post #3914 of 19574

Well, it's just remind me all the nitpicking discussion regarding the fact that the srh940 didn't have enough mid-bass, while I  could just boost a bit the volume to hear an obvious thumping bass.

Then the message was spread everywhere that the srh940  are "bass lite", while they have perhaps 3db max missing compared to "neutral".

Now when you have the hd800, then it's off course ok to boost the volume to rave about the bass.

Different headphone, different way of assessing it , I can't help thinking that there some "bias".

post #3915 of 19574

Personally I've never heard any Shure headphone, so I'm not sure who you're directing that at.

 

OTOH, I've never seen someone get away with as much bias and disguised attacks against a headphone of all things, let alone in it's own appreciation thread, as I have you. But hey at least you own it now, amirite? rolleyes.gif

 

-Daniel

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