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So I've finally took a different approach to change the sound of hd800 to something more of my taste.

The annax mod is a bit complicate for me to apply  (I must get that creatology thing ...).

So finally I  got the idea for a much easier mod.

 

I  used one of these round sponge ,  that let young sudents , erase chalk from their slate .

A pic just in case you don't see what I  mean:

 

So it's a sponge with a diameter of 6cm, and a thickness of roughly 8mm.

I  tried  cut it into two equal parts with a scissor:

 

 

 

Then I've inserted each part directly above the dust cover, on region where there's the trapezoidal section.

I've tried to apply each part in symmetric way, and I 've pushed  as much as possible the sponge against the mesh,

to limit the area of the driver that might be hidden.

The sponge is too thick,  you can't put it behind dust cover .

But it stays in place.

 

 

 

The changes in the sound signature are not subtle.

The treble is "tamed", and softer (or perhaps more "diffuse").

There's less "sparkle", or should I  say unnecessary "aural excitement".

It sounds overall "warmer", perhaps more "analog".

The mids are more forward and I  love this, because this my favorite part on the hd800.

The imaging is improved i.e it's more "realistically  3D".

I heard some stuff "vibrating near my ear", and I  thought there  was a resonance problem with  the sponge.

But nope, it's in the recording when I  remove the sponge, I  was just tricked into thinking that's a real thing.

So  overall, I  like the result, and I'll remove this  easily if I  change my mind.

 

Also , I'd like to add if some of "excitement"  from treble is gone, with this mod  I think it's  better for longer listening session.

I'd think the treble emphasis of stock hd800 give the illusion of something "more focused" , but it harms the genuine imaging.

No I can't get same result with an eq.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/24/13 at 5:38am
post #3902 of 13849

Hi guys, I have been eyeing the HD800 for a while now and I am wondering what is a good price for purchase.

post #3903 of 13849
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Originally Posted by jwang302 View Post

Hi guys, I have been eyeing the HD800 for a while now and I am wondering what is a good price for purchase.


the retail price is $1500 now if im not wrong so i think if you can get anything below that then its good

post #3904 of 13849
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Originally Posted by jwang302 View Post

Hi guys, I have been eyeing the HD800 for a while now and I am wondering what is a good price for purchase.

You can check the price from Meier audio. Just send Jan an email for the quotation of the best price.

post #3905 of 13849
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Originally Posted by fuzzybaffy View Post

Haha... yea... If I had the funds, I would. Within a couple of years, I hope to be able to finally buy one.

Yes, wish you will have one soon.

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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

You would not be the only one. For some reason the HD800 is one of the more polarizing headphone that I know of. The same people have hated it comparing it to the LCD2 saying how unnatural it was compared to those headphones and then months later saying the HD800's neutrality is a breath of fresh air with the bass heavy LCD2.

I've decided to downsize my HD800 rig lately to just my D1 as the dac/amp and then the headphones and they still sound great. I will say that I do think the amp inside my dac is great and bested the Violectric V200 when I owned that amp. After hearing it again today I'm glad I didn't sell them. I will have to switch back to the stock cable however since the Toxic Silver Poison cable I have on now is a bit longer than the stock cable as I had the stock cable shortened to 6 feet when I had it terminated to a 4 pin XLR. 

Is D1 = Anedio D1? D1 internal amp better than V200, for Hd800?
post #3906 of 13849

How does the HD 800's bass compare to Hifiman HE 400's?

post #3907 of 13849
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Originally Posted by RedBull View Post

Is D1 = Anedio D1? D1 internal amp better than V200, for Hd800?

 

For me the internal amp is better than the V200 and didn't feel like I lost anything. It does have a different signature as the V200 is warmer. It's not a knock against the V200 which I think is a very versatile amp driving everything short of the HE6.

post #3908 of 13849
Thanks rawster. I guess better in the sense of resolution and soundstage? And what else?
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I'm currently using my HD800s with a HDVD800 and I can't fault the pairing it sounds brilliant and I'm completely satisfied and I don't really don't need better sound......But because I can never stop looking for the best of the best I can't help wondering what a Stax sr009 sounds like. Now the problem is I will probably never hear one unless I buy it so I really want some opinions on whether a stax system is as good as its made out to be compared to a good HD800 setup and if so how much of an improvement are we talking? And is it worth going down that slippery slope?
post #3910 of 13849
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

So I've finally took a different approach to change the sound of hd800 to something more of my taste.

 

Thanks for sharing that. Looks pretty easy to do and easy to reverse as well. Also maybe try thinner foam for a more subtle result perhaps?  

post #3911 of 13849
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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post

I'm currently using my HD800s with a HDVD800 and I can't fault the pairing it sounds brilliant and I'm completely satisfied and I don't really don't need better sound......But because I can never stop looking for the best of the best I can't help wondering what a Stax sr009 sounds like. Now the problem is I will probably never hear one unless I buy it so I really want some opinions on whether a stax system is as good as its made out to be compared to a good HD800 setup and if so how much of an improvement are we talking? And is it worth going down that slippery slope?

In the long run, your curiosity will probably get the best of you (and your wallet will hate it). However, I own/ed both and I can tell you a few things:

-Stax SR-009 has a more linear treble than HD800, without any peaks and resonances. Detail retrieval is a lot better with the 009.

-The bass is more dynamic with the HD800s. For me the weakest point with the SR009s was the little quantity of bass, and this was certainly not neutral. The quantity of bass is lowered even when the record calls for it.

-Mid-range is amazing with the 009, you can find nothing to complain about.

-Imaging is more precise with the 009s. Sound stage is wider and has more air with the HD800s, which can at times be very unnatural to these ears.

post #3912 of 13849
So would you say the difference is more a preference thing or is it just in a different league? ( my wallet hopes its preference !) for example I loved my hd650s and I still listen to them and enjoy them lots but the 800s are no doubt in a different league, is the difference that big or more 'side grade' / splitting hairs? Oh and thanks for the feedback it's much appreciated.
post #3913 of 13849
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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post

So would you say the difference is more a preference thing or is it just in a different league? ( my wallet hopes its preference !) for example I loved my hd650s and I still listen to them and enjoy them lots but the 800s are no doubt in a different league, is the difference that big or more 'side grade' / splitting hairs? Oh and thanks for the feedback it's much appreciated.


To be honest with you, stats in general are very different from what you're used to dynamics. It depends on your personal taste. I even prefer my Lambdas to the HD800. To me the weakness in bass of the SR-009 does not put it in a different league, even though it price dictates it.

If you've never dabbled with electrostats, get a taste of it with the Stax SR-5 and an energizer for 100 GBP. The SR-5 have a good introductory sound to the Stax house sound, and the mid-range is what you will be pleased with the most.

post #3914 of 13849
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Thanks for sharing that. Looks pretty easy to do and easy to reverse as well. Also maybe try thinner foam for a more subtle result perhaps?  

Thanks for your interest.

I got a lot of these sponge at house, so this is what I  tried.

The thickness of the sponge may have an indirect impact, depending of how much it overlap the driver.

 

Here's the dust cover is removed to see what's happening when putting the sponge:

 

 

Note : the sponge doesn't touch the driver, there's actually a thin protection in front of it.

 

I've cut the round  "corner" of  sponge so that the contact is "flatter", and that it overlap less with the driver:

 

 

The fact that the sponge overlapp the driver , is not necessarily a bad thing.

If you look at the annax mod, there's width of the ring that overlap more or less the driver,

and according to innerfidelity this remove some treble near 3khz.

According to innerfidelity too, the thickness remove treble near 6khz.

 

Imho , the hd800 have by default some noticeable coloration near 6khz, and it's exhausting,

and the mod might replace it with an other, but it's doesn't grab attention,

and there's an additional "organic feel" ( no  well pronounced aggressiveness on the highs)  that add a touch of realism.

Lot of the "biting treble" is gone, but now I think that the hd800 stock sound, is like with some exciter dsp always on.

Perhaps the sennheiser engineers, thought it would "wow" the listener, but there are no exciters you'd like to listen all the time.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/24/13 at 11:02am
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Today I really pushed the HD800. Wanted to see how loud it can get without distortion. I was amazed how loud the music got and without any distortion. I have to say I really enjoyed listening to Daft Punk blasting in my ears. Could have listened for a long time but the treble was a bit too much to take for my ears on some tracks. But wow the Lehmann really pushed this thing hard. Very impressed with the ring radiator driver. 

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