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post #3886 of 17726

If anyone thinks the HD800 is 'soulless'.. they haven't listened to it through a BH Crack.. with the Raytheon VT-231 tube.  It's heavenly.  As far as full sized headphones go.. there's nothing.. NOTHING else.. that I want to listen with (under $1500).  It possesses the clarity, speed, transparency, and extension of what you'd expect from an excellent, neutral sold state amp amp.. but provides the rich, natural, vibrant presentation of a great tube.  I've rolled a number of 12AU7s and 12BH7s.. I've yet to find one that sounds as phenomenal as the the Raytheon VT-231 does.

 

..and it's absolutely badass with rock/metal.

 

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..now, back to our regularly scheduled knob-twiddling.

 

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post #3887 of 17726
Extrabig, can you also buy de-esser from SPL and report? It also suppose to remove the nasty 'S' from recording, it theoretically can 'tame' hd800 'sibilant' :P
post #3888 of 17726

The HD800's are so amp and source dependant that they can't really be labelled generally. Thats why there are so many of us in disagreement regarding their sound characteristics. On my Audio gd they sound neutral, balanced and maybe a little flat. On my older 70's integrated/receiver amps they sound big, warm and analogue like. On an early eighties Technics amp they sound crisp and detailed at the top but almost too bassy at the bottom... I can go on with the change with different dacs as well but you get the picture. 

 

I've said it probably about 15 times now and I'm annoying myself saying it again :) But they are a very clean window onto your equipment. Rubbish in rubbish out. (apart from the soundstage will always impress :)

post #3889 of 17726
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

The HD800's are so amp and source dependant that they can't really be labelled generally. Thats why there are so many of us in disagreement regarding their sound characteristics. On my Audio gd they sound neutral, balanced and maybe a little flat. On my older 70's integrated/receiver amps they sound big, warm and analogue like. On an early eighties Technics amp they sound crisp and detailed at the top but almost too bassy at the bottom... I can go on with the change with different dacs as well but you get the picture. 

I've said it probably about 15 times now and I'm annoying myself saying it again smily_headphones1.gif But they are a very clean window onto your equipment. Rubbish in rubbish out. (apart from the soundstage will always impress smily_headphones1.gif
Fully agree with the the first line.
I've been fortunate to hear them with ECBA, EARHP4 & Apex Pinnacle.
For 'tuby goodness' - ECBA
For punchy bass - Ear HP4
For the best of both worlds - Apex Pinnacle biggrin.gif
Obviously IMHO
post #3890 of 17726

Though I can't speak for main-stream pop music, I do know that electronic dance music producers, nowadays at least, tend to produce their tracks on the "drier" side, with very little reverb. This is because large venue speaker systems have gotten so much better, louder, and more powerful recently, that music with reverb played really, really loudly on those speaker systems sound out of place.

 

Reverb is intended to give the illusion that the sound is filling up the room, to make up for weaker sound systems. But now that club sound systems have gotten much better, the reverb is less necessary. Instead, they just want to play that pure sound.

 

A good example is this track:

 

 

It has exactly that "dry", shortened decay sound. It doesn't sound musical. But when the song is played loudly, in a club setting, it sounds right, because with the enormous speakers, it will seem to have a "purer" sound. The sound signature was definitely intentional.

 

So, when the HD-800 plays more recent EDM tracks as these, and tends to have that "drier" sound, it's actually probably playing it exactly the way it was meant to be played.

 

But, I may be wrong of course. I don't even own the HD-800 (but just heard it a few times at a recent meet, which I wrote about a few posts earlier in this thread) tongue.gif. But from what I've heard of the HD-800, I do think if it sounds "sterile" with very recent EDM tracks such as above, it's probably just playing the music the way it was produced.

 

Edit: (Oh God... writing about the HD-800 makes me want to buy one so bad.)


Edited by fuzzybaffy - 7/23/13 at 4:38am
post #3891 of 17726
Buy one now! biggrin.gif
I hated HD800 for 3 years since the launch, only to find it to be my most loved phone now.
post #3892 of 17726
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

The HD800's are so amp and source dependant that they can't really be labelled generally. Thats why there are so many of us in disagreement regarding their sound characteristics. On my Audio gd they sound neutral, balanced and maybe a little flat. On my older 70's integrated/receiver amps they sound big, warm and analogue like. On an early eighties Technics amp they sound crisp and detailed at the top but almost too bassy at the bottom... I can go on with the change with different dacs as well but you get the picture. 

 

I've said it probably about 15 times now and I'm annoying myself saying it again :) But they are a very clean window onto your equipment. Rubbish in rubbish out. (apart from the soundstage will always impress :)


Fully agree the statement that HD800 is a very clean window which truly reflecting the source which causing "Rubbish in rubbish out", however, while I love my HD800 I do consider this effect as a major weakness of it.

post #3893 of 17726

It's been a couple weeks now since I got my HD800s and I'm really starting to appreciate their clarity and precision.  Also with heavy rock.  I did have a niggling feeling at first that there was something slightly sterile or 'soulless' about the sound, especially when compared to my Hifimans.  But I don't perceive them like that so much any more.  I think I'm going to like these headphones.  :)

post #3894 of 17726
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Originally Posted by Kendoji View Post

It's been a couple weeks now since I got my HD800s and I'm really starting to appreciate their clarity and precision.  Also with heavy rock.  I did have a niggling feeling at first that there was something slightly sterile or 'soulless' about the sound, especially when compared to my Hifimans.  But I don't perceive them like that so much any more.  I think I'm going to like these headphones.  :)

 

Regarding the sterile/soulless part, most people just get used to it. Peculiarly (to me) some even like that. I did get used to it, for a little while.  That said, there's plenty of things that are awesome with the HD800s and I hold them in very high regard overall. To fix the sterile/souless and the brightness bits, I used the Anax mod and an aftermarket copper cable with great success. Now as I am selling my HD800s they're pure stock and I am missing those mods. Getting a lot of copper interconnects in your setup also goes towards the same effect of making the more musical, for those who like that. Pity the latter makes the LCD-3s sound sub-optimal if you're unfortunate as I am to have just one system.


Edited by negura - 7/23/13 at 11:33am
post #3895 of 17726
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Originally Posted by RedBull View Post

Buy one now! biggrin.gif
I hated HD800 for 3 years since the launch, only to find it to be my most loved phone now.

 

Haha... yea... If I had the funds, I would. Within a couple of years, I hope to be able to finally buy one.

post #3896 of 17726
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Originally Posted by RedBull View Post

Buy one now! biggrin.gif
I hated HD800 for 3 years since the launch, only to find it to be my most loved phone now.

 

You would not be the only one. For some reason the HD800 is one of the more polarizing headphone that I know of. The same people have hated it comparing it to the LCD2 saying how unnatural it was compared to those headphones and then months later saying the HD800's neutrality is a breath of fresh air with the bass heavy LCD2.

 

I've decided to downsize my HD800 rig lately to just my D1 as the dac/amp and then the headphones and they still sound great. I will say that I do think the amp inside my dac is great and bested the Violectric V200 when I owned that amp. After hearing it again today I'm glad I didn't sell them. I will have to switch back to the stock cable however since the Toxic Silver Poison cable I have on now is a bit longer than the stock cable as I had the stock cable shortened to 6 feet when I had it terminated to a 4 pin XLR. 

post #3897 of 17726

So I've finally took a different approach to change the sound of hd800 to something more of my taste.

The annax mod is a bit complicate for me to apply  (I must get that creatology thing ...).

So finally I  got the idea for a much easier mod.

 

I  used one of these round sponge ,  that let young sudents , erase chalk from their slate .

A pic just in case you don't see what I  mean:

 

So it's a sponge with a diameter of 6cm, and a thickness of roughly 8mm.

I  tried  cut it into two equal parts with a scissor:

 

 

 

Then I've inserted each part directly above the dust cover, on region where there's the trapezoidal section.

I've tried to apply each part in symmetric way, and I 've pushed  as much as possible the sponge against the mesh,

to limit the area of the driver that might be hidden.

The sponge is too thick,  you can't put it behind dust cover .

But it stays in place.

 

 

 

The changes in the sound signature are not subtle.

The treble is "tamed", and softer (or perhaps more "diffuse").

There's less "sparkle", or should I  say unnecessary "aural excitement".

It sounds overall "warmer", perhaps more "analog".

The mids are more forward and I  love this, because this my favorite part on the hd800.

The imaging is improved i.e it's more "realistically  3D".

I heard some stuff "vibrating near my ear", and I  thought there  was a resonance problem with  the sponge.

But nope, it's in the recording when I  remove the sponge, I  was just tricked into thinking that's a real thing.

So  overall, I  like the result, and I'll remove this  easily if I  change my mind.

 

Also , I'd like to add if some of "excitement"  from treble is gone, with this mod  I think it's  better for longer listening session.

I'd think the treble emphasis of stock hd800 give the illusion of something "more focused" , but it harms the genuine imaging.

No I can't get same result with an eq.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/24/13 at 5:38am
post #3898 of 17726

Hi guys, I have been eyeing the HD800 for a while now and I am wondering what is a good price for purchase.

post #3899 of 17726
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Originally Posted by jwang302 View Post

Hi guys, I have been eyeing the HD800 for a while now and I am wondering what is a good price for purchase.


the retail price is $1500 now if im not wrong so i think if you can get anything below that then its good

post #3900 of 17726
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Originally Posted by jwang302 View Post

Hi guys, I have been eyeing the HD800 for a while now and I am wondering what is a good price for purchase.

You can check the price from Meier audio. Just send Jan an email for the quotation of the best price.

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