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post #3871 of 19928
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Originally Posted by fuzzybaffy View Post

And the sound signature was another thing that I got really accustomed to. It felt super, super flat, and it brought me back memories of a pair of studio monitors I had a few years ago. Just completely flat, which was indeed, what I was looking for in a headphone just a few months ago (during which I ended up purchasing the HD-650 at the time).

 

That's actually a perfect comparison.  The HD800 do a really good job of sounding like a great studio monitor.

post #3872 of 19928
So I'm selling my mjolnir amp later today. I think for now I'll keep the hd800 as a secondary rig with my anedio d1. there's no need to get fancy since it's still fairly capable and won't be used as much.

I never thought there would be something for me that surpasses the hd800 until recently
post #3873 of 19928
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

The Taboo MK3 is superb driving both the HD800s and LCD-3s. Yes, he markets it for planars, but make no mistake. It's outstanding with the HD800s. It's natural and refined, but it does some mean bass when it's called for and it's free of grain and very transparent to the tubes you use and DAC.

The CSP2+ doesn't do planars, but many people use it hapily with the HD800s. I've not heard it.

With that kind of power will there be hiss or hum with, say, low impedance, high sensitivity ad2000? Or even hd800?
How about stepped attenuator? Do you hear any clicks?
post #3874 of 19928
No. This is one of the quietest tube amps. No hiss or hums. The stepped attenuator is quiet but it's probably early to tell. It is smoother than the one on the Soloist and quieter to begin with.
Edited by negura - 7/21/13 at 8:33am
post #3875 of 19928
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Originally Posted by RedBull View Post

If i set lowest gain, the siund will be very flat, less bass but huge detail. If i set higher gain, more kick on every notes (think piano, drums, human voice rise peak, etc) but less detail and definitely warmer. The more i inceease the gain, the more the same effect increases.

I dont say higher gain increases power, but it change the amp and phone behaviour (hence signature) with slightly higher voltage sent to the phone. I usually set to medium as the low gain is too boring and the highest gain sacrifices too much detail.

Thanks for your corroboration. I completely agree with you. Personally I enjoy the Lehmann BCL on 10dB with the HD800, it has much wider soundstage and detail. However with 20dB the music sounds so much fuller and as you said it adds that extra kick. I am no amp designer so would not know how changing the gain can change the sound signature on Lehmann, but it is definitely changing. Currently I am enjoying the 20dB because it provides the most speaker like sound signature even though the soundstage and detail have suffered. 

post #3876 of 19928

Pretty much the same thing happened to me at the May Toronto HeadFi meet. After auditioning the HD800 on my system and comparing to others, I decided that they were for me.  My HD700 and HE500 immediately went up for sale and I had the HD800 within a month or so.

Enjoy the anticipation!

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Originally Posted by fuzzybaffy View Post

 

So, yea... thanks to the head-fi meet, I've decided on the HD-800 as my future headphone. It will take a while, but maybe at some point, I'll be able to write in this thread again as a new owner!

post #3877 of 19928
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Originally Posted by zigy626 View Post

Thanks for your corroboration. I completely agree with you. Personally I enjoy the Lehmann BCL on 10dB with the HD800, it has much wider soundstage and detail. However with 20dB the music sounds so much fuller and as you said it adds that extra kick. I am no amp designer so would not know how changing the gain can change the sound signature on Lehmann, but it is definitely changing. Currently I am enjoying the 20dB because it provides the most speaker like sound signature even though the soundstage and detail have suffered. 

Yea, sometimes i play around with gain just for fun too. When i changes to low, i was 'whoa' so much detail and texture, much wider soundstage too, but of course it slams less and then gets boring soon after. And then high gain to get the slams, esp with electronica, but for normal listening, i set 10db for balance slams and detail.
post #3878 of 19928
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Louder sounds better in every way (don't ask me why, but the loudness war appeared because of this). .If you want to do a serious comparison , you must compare at same volume level.

 

The loudness war started because it was a way to make crappy equipment sound better to unrefined folk with unrefined taste.   Is that a sweeping generalization? You bet it is. Take it with a sweeping grain of salt. tongue.gif

post #3879 of 19928

Depends on how loud it is... If its louder than 'too quiet' happy days.. 

 

I've always been a low level listener, but I treat myself to a few extra notches every now and again if I've been good :) 

 

Problem is, the louder the volume the more your ears get accustomed to it. You then need louder to get the thrill of it being loud. And before you know it, you have tinnitus, followed by a steady slope into madness, hospitalization and then death. 

 

Best keep your volume at a sensible level kids.   

post #3880 of 19928
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Originally Posted by RedBull View Post

From decware line, which one do you think sounds better for hd800, csp2+ or taboo? i read thag taboo is more for planar?

The Taboo MK3 is superb driving both the HD800s and LCD-3s. Yes, he markets it for planars, but make no mistake. It's outstanding with the HD800s. It's natural and refined, but it does some mean bass when it's called for and it's free of grain and very transparent to the tubes you use and DAC.

The CSP2+ doesn't do planars, but many people use it hapily with the HD800s. I've not heard it.
The CSP2+ is fantastic with the HD800's. You could use it as your stand alone amp with a nice source and be done with it.
post #3881 of 19928

I'm listening to Grant Geissman & co.'s "Sounds of Monterey Bay" .. a lovely jazz recording interspersed with lots of field recording elements (running water, rainfall, thunder, etc.).. w/ the HD800 & the BH Crack (rolling the Raytheon VT-231.. an "end game" tube..for me).  This is a well recorded album and the imaging queues are fantastic.  Rolling thunder sounds incredibly lifelike.. and hearing the vividness of piano (timbre that's surprisingly tough to get 'right,' IMO) is so satisfying.

post #3882 of 19928
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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post

I'm listening to Grant Geissman & co.'s "Sounds of Monterey Bay" .. a lovely jazz recording interspersed with lots of field recording elements (running water, rainfall, thunder, etc.).. w/ the HD800 & the BH Crack (rolling the Raytheon VT-231.. an "end game" tube..for me).  This is a well recorded album and the imaging queues are fantastic.  Rolling thunder sounds incredibly lifelike.. and hearing the vividness of piano (timbre that's surprisingly tough to get 'right,' IMO) is so satisfying.

 

Are you attending the Bottlehead meet this weekend?

post #3883 of 19928

Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

 

Are you attending the Bottlehead meet this weekend?

 

Didn't know there was one going on (admittedly, I haven't check the meet forum).. I'll see if I can make it!

post #3884 of 19928

Well, I  figured out, that one of the strongest point of the hd800 i.e the short decay, is actually what some people  dislike,  and responsible  of the comments such like  "not musical", soulless, artificial etc... The hd800 is close to neutral, and you might be thinking that people don't like neutral, but the hd595 is relatively "neutral", and I've never seen as harsh criticism as the word "unbearable" for the hd595. No the problem is not with the source, if you are using a non-transparent source to make your hd800 more enjoyable, I  still consider that the original "problem" is with the hd800.

 

The reason that the hd800 sounds  so good with classical music, voice etc .. is because these are natural sounds, that are  recorded.  Each sound that occurs naturally, have in general a longer decay  than the attack (if not, it's as if it's played in reverse). 

However with synthetic musics, I guess they have been mixed/ mastered /tested using speakers or headphone with driver that have longer decay than the hd800.

That's why synthetic stuff might sound "weird" on the hd800, some  sound   may seem unexpectedly short. Your brain notice sounds, and then  they are already gone: this put you in the position of a constant observer, the decays are just too short to enjoy anything.  So unless, you are constantly in a state of someone that "study music" , there is some music  you just can't play in the background , and forget it. And this despite the massive soundstage, of the hd800 that suggests a  laid back signature.

 

So here's my best solution to bring back some soul, or at least make the hd800 sound more like a "normal" headphone. I  use the vst spl transient designer that bring back some decay.

Actually the decays are not longer, but "fatter", which explain why you won't hear sound

overlapping each other, even if you  boost it to max.

 

You loose a little fidelity for a more relaxing sound, it's a trade off. Bit I think it  harm sound  less than stuff like crossover, dolby headphone, tb isone etc ....

I increase the sustain (which is associated to decay) by a very small amount (0.52 db).

The hidden sliders can be accessed  by loading the vst through "art teknika console".

I don't touch to the attack setting (it would irritate after some time).

Link setting on (preserve stereo image).

 

 

 

Proof that some magic work with that dsp :  sibilance is efficiently masked, or any "tizz".

Remove sibilance much better than any eq.

And it's done by SPL, so if you trust that much their phonitor, you should give a try to their vst biggrin.gif.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/22/13 at 10:46pm
post #3885 of 19928

If anyone thinks the HD800 is 'soulless'.. they haven't listened to it through a BH Crack.. with the Raytheon VT-231 tube.  It's heavenly.  As far as full sized headphones go.. there's nothing.. NOTHING else.. that I want to listen with (under $1500).  It possesses the clarity, speed, transparency, and extension of what you'd expect from an excellent, neutral sold state amp amp.. but provides the rich, natural, vibrant presentation of a great tube.  I've rolled a number of 12AU7s and 12BH7s.. I've yet to find one that sounds as phenomenal as the the Raytheon VT-231 does.

 

..and it's absolutely badass with rock/metal.

 

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..now, back to our regularly scheduled knob-twiddling.

 

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