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post #3841 of 14016

I am pleased to say that HD800 can do bass. I adjusted the gain on the Lehmann from 10dB to 20dB and that seemed to have done the trick. Much more fuller sound and  as close to a speaker setup one can get. 

post #3842 of 14016
From csd 940 bass lingering much longer than 800, therefore sounds a bit boomy, but also lesser in quantity than 800. Bass texture also not as good as 800, but 940 midrange looks cleaner.

Step response scale look very different tough. Are they testing using different volume level? 800 peak max at 1.7 mV and 940 peak ard 47 mV. How to read that?
Edited by RedBull - 7/19/13 at 6:06pm
post #3843 of 14016
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Originally Posted by zigy626 View Post

 I adjusted the gain on the Lehmann from 10dB to 20dB and that seemed to have done the trick.

Lol.

You know that louder sounds often better ?

post #3844 of 14016

By the way , I got a hard lesson from kvr audio , they told me they  avoid linear phase eq like plague, and that it sounds terrible for the bass. So re-adjusting again eq redface.gif,  and I just avoid to touch anything in the bass region (since in way, or in an other, the result is not great).

post #3845 of 14016
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

Nice explanation attempt, but I don't know if we can rely in the CSD displayed at golden ear. The csd of srh940  looks overall better.

So you think that the csd indicate that the bass of srh940 is a bit muddy , but then it should sound cleaner than the hd800, when you play bass light music (such like piano). I'm unsure, so I'll test later.

I actually much prefer looking at CSD than FR graph, it tells a much more complete story. And also coherent with my experience with the three headphones.

 

But as the CSD graph is smoothed over (i.e. ringing effects hidden), it may not be a good reference for properties like resolving ability of micro details.

 

The csd of srh940 actually can be also read as high treble presence (high peak, slower decay) without being covered by mids/bass (which the hd800 has, in contrast). I wouldn't say its better, some may like, some may not. Btw the bass response of hd800 definitely looks and sounds better to me. (But mind you, I just don't like how the srh940 sounds...)


Edited by kn19h7 - 7/19/13 at 6:30pm
post #3846 of 14016
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Originally Posted by kn19h7 View Post

The csd of srh940 actually can be also read as high treble presence (high peak, slower decay) without being covered by mids/bass (which the hd800 has, in contrast). I wouldn't say its better, some may like, some may not. Btw the bass response of hd800 definitely looks and sounds better to me

I've listened to some piano on the srh940, which is supposed bass lite to avoid the supposed muddiness in the region below 500 hz. I found it's a delight to listen, it's relatively clean, BUT the hd800 is much more precise, with each note being very well defined.

 

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. (But mind you, I just don't like how the srh940 sounds...)

 I'm not anymore experimenting the skull crushing treble spike,  I got when I listened the srh940 for the first time, so you might have in mind  something quite different.

 

By the way, what you think of the mdr sony mdr-z1000 (it's on your profile) . It measure consistently bad everywhere, in particular the csd that looks like an exageration of the srh940 (similar flaws, but worse). I'm wondering how it could have fans , according to the measurements.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/19/13 at 8:40pm
post #3847 of 14016

Posting my last last eq, for the hd800.

I was discouraged from eq-ing anything in the bass region, or from using linear phase,

so here's the final result:

 

 

 

Difference with original sound:

- with lot of stuff it sounds same than no eq.

- reduce potential sibilance I noticed in some records.

- the image seems more "focused".

- more relaxing sound overall.

post #3848 of 14016
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

I've listened to some piano on the srh940, which is supposed bass lite to avoid the supposed muddiness in the region below 500 hz. I found it's a delight to listen, it's relatively clean, BUT the hd800 is much more precise, with each note being very well defined.

 

 I'm not anymore experimenting the skull crushing treble spike,  I got when I listened the srh940 for the first time, so you might have in mind  something quite different.

 

By the way, what you think of the mdr sony mdr-z1000 (it's on your profile) . It measure consistently bad everywhere, in particular the csd that looks like an exageration of the srh940 (similar flaws, but worse). I'm wondering how it could have fans , according to the measurements.

 

Lolz.

 

Oh, and D2000 bass=blOOOAAATTTed.

 

-Daniel

post #3849 of 14016
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

Lol.
You know that louder sounds often better ?

It's not just about louder, my friend, it also add KICK to the sound
post #3850 of 14016
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post

Lolz.

Oh, and D2000 bass=blOOOAAATTTed.

-Daniel

There's no better word for it.
post #3851 of 14016
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Originally Posted by RedBull View Post


It's not just about louder, my friend, it also add KICK to the sound


Louder sounds better in every way (don't ask me why, but the loudness war appeared because of this). .If you want to do a serious comparison , you must compare at same volume level.

post #3852 of 14016
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post

 

Lolz.

 

Oh, and D2000 bass=blOOOAAATTTed.

 

-Daniel


Well my guess , is that some bloat could be rewarding.

I'm not sure everyone is craving for a very controlled bass.

At least when it's bloated... well it's obvious.

post #3853 of 14016

Get a better amp.

 

-Daniel

post #3854 of 14016
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Louder sounds better in every way (don't ask me why, but the loudness war appeared because of this). .If you want to do a serious comparison , you must compare at same volume level.

Obviously, what I meant was, at the same level, changing the gain in bcl increase dynamic, not only volume. When you try yourself you will understand what I mean.
post #3855 of 14016
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

 I'm not anymore experimenting the skull crushing treble spike,  I got when I listened the srh940 for the first time, so you might have in mind  something quite different.

 

By the way, what you think of the mdr sony mdr-z1000 (it's on your profile) . It measure consistently bad everywhere, in particular the csd that looks like an exageration of the srh940 (similar flaws, but worse). I'm wondering how it could have fans , according to the measurements.

So you're implying the srh940 has been revised? Hmm...

 

Well, they don't look that similar to me actually. The srh940's one is generally a upping slope towards 5k followed by a slight drop and then a spike at 10k, while for z1000 there are several ups and downs (for example, ~2k is much stronger on z1000). While the ~10k part on z1000 peaks high and lasts long, the ~5k part is very weak and lasts short, so overall the treble isn't that ear piercing. And also the <500hz part is stronger and stays more stable on z1000, which may help in covering the ~10k part.

 

Music actually sounds quite different (from my other headphones like hd800 and a2000x) on the z1000 perhaps due to the big drop near 5k, it has a quite unique sonic character or just coloration which I happened to like. Currently using it in office with cowon j3, also considering replace it with a yamaha-mt220 though. As a result of very extensive use (>5hrs per day for about 2yrs), my z1000 looks very old now...

 

 

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Originally Posted by RedBull View Post


Obviously, what I meant was, at the same level, changing the gain in bcl increase dynamic, not only volume. When you try yourself you will understand what I mean.

I also think that the bcl sounds quite different on 0db and 10db gains, never bothered enough to do a blind test though.


Edited by kn19h7 - 7/20/13 at 12:32am
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