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post #3766 of 19928
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

I didn't find the LCD-2s to be in the same league of SQ with the HD800s, while the LCD-3 are. Imo the LCD-2s get obliterated by the HD800s on any decent downstream, even if they sound so differently. The LCD-3s are euphonic and put up much tougher competition and I prefer the LCD-3s treble to that of the HD800s, as it is detailed and airy enough but never tiring. That said the HD800s have clearly better soundstaging and imaging.

 

Neither of these headphone is perfect and can be fined tuned to preferences through the rest of the downstream (be it amp/dac matching etc, cables, tubes, what has you).

 

 

I agree with this.  

 

However, I'm a treble head I guess, thus I prefer the HD800s treble over the LCD-3s..  The HD800s are pretty darn focused to me, and while I also agree the instruments are larger and take up more space with the LCD-3s.  The HD800s instruments have their "own" space with more air around them.  Where on the LCD-3s the space of the instruments don't separate as well.

post #3767 of 19928
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

I agree with this.  

 

However, I'm a treble head I guess, thus I prefer the HD800s treble over the LCD-3s..  The HD800s are pretty darn focused to me, and while I also agree the instruments are larger and take up more space with the LCD-3s.  The HD800s instruments have their "own" space with more air around them.  Where on the LCD-3s the space of the instruments don't separate as well.

 

To make things even more fun, I am starting to firmly believe you can't have one system tuned in just one way that is just as "perfect" of a match with both the LCD-3s and the HD800s at the same time. Can you find a very good compromise to work with both really nicely? Sure. But anything above that no. The closest I got to was either swapping a couple of cables & interfaces around or more recently coming up with a different set of tubes in the amplifier. I obviously prefer the latter.

 

Everytime I use just one of these headphone for any extended amount of time, I start tuning things and a couple of weeks later the other flagship sounds a bit off. The main reason for this is the LCD-3s and HD800s are so complementary, what is a strength for one is a weakness for the other. But I accept other people may be happy without pushing for the final bits of synergy.


Edited by negura - 7/17/13 at 4:42pm
post #3768 of 19928
Some of us can't have only one system, period. I've got so much schiit that I am too lazy to sell (spouse is now applying pressure) that I wind up "inventing" systems. (So far, the toilet is the only room music-free.)
post #3769 of 19928
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Originally Posted by ULUL View Post

When I was testing some of the higher end headphones a few months back, I was very impressed by the HD800. But there's a question of system matching. Currently have a pair of HE-500 that is just wonderful with a solid state amp. Like it more than the HD650 due to its transparency, speed, and detail. But I really do like the soundstage on the HD800 along with its transparnecy, speed and detail.. But as an issue of budget, the HD800 would have to be matched with a more budget amp. A question: Does the Crack w. Speedball do the HD800 sufficient justice if I already am running the HE-500 with a well matched solid state amp in the $600 range? I know that the OTL and solid state have difference sound. My understanding is that the HE-500 is considered somewhat 'forgiving' while the HD800 is not. Thus, I wonder if the Crack/Speedball is considered sufficient by may or would it be woefully inadequate and require a much higher four figure $ tube amp? Thanks, UL

 

Love to have some informed comments if I may. 

 

Thanks

UL

post #3770 of 19928
@ULUL

There are raving comments regarding bottlehead crack + hd800 combination , it's even on the page of the seller:

"With both the HD650 and the HD800, the Crack delivers one of the cleanest sound, the blackest background, the widest and deepest soundstage I’ve heard on any amp below the $1K mark." 

Headfonia Mike

Now off course  you can always find some head-fier that doesn't like the combination (especially a head-fier that takes pride in owning a uber expensive source, I guess).

http://www.bottlehead.com/store.php/products/crack-otl-headphone-amplifier-kit


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/17/13 at 6:44pm
post #3771 of 19928
I honestly dont understand how the HD800 can sound good from an OTL amp. The high Z output must wreak havoc with the HD800's impedance swings.
post #3772 of 19928

The ZDSE says 'hi'.

 

-Daniel

post #3773 of 19928
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I honestly dont understand how the HD800 can sound good from an OTL amp. The high Z output must wreak havoc with the HD800's impedance swings.

 

The current best wisdom, as far as I can tell and I'ma going to look into it more, is that the HD 800 needs something like 43 Ohms output impedance to sound best.

 

Yes...I'm spreading rumors, but I think this is a good one.

post #3774 of 19928
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

The current best wisdom, as far as I can tell and I'ma going to look into it more, is that the HD 800 needs something like 43 Ohms output impedance to sound best.

Yes...I'm spreading rumors, but I think this is a good one.

Maybe a link to your excellent dt880 32/250/600 ohm article that explained damping factor so very well?
post #3775 of 19928
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Maybe a link to your excellent dt880 32/250/600 ohm article that explained damping factor so very well?

Never mind, found it:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/comparison-beyerdynamic-dt-880-32-ohm-dt-880-250-ohm-and-dt-880-600-ohm-headphones
post #3776 of 19928

i had limited success with adding output impedance with the HD800.  it all kind of depends.  i think i posted this elsewhere here but will again since like Tyll's i think it's a good read: http://www.mediafire.com/view/?82kf0r5kdckdcer .  

post #3777 of 19928
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

The current best wisdom, as far as I can tell and I'ma going to look into it more, is that the HD 800 needs something like 43 Ohms output impedance to sound best.

Yes...I'm spreading rumors, but I think this is a good one.
I believe 43 Ohms is the output impedance of the Sennheiser HDVD800 amplifier. Probably the source of the "rumours". Presumably they chose this output impedance for a reason.
post #3778 of 19928

The article doesn't explain the disadvantage of "overdamping" (i.e using a big damping factor) for the headphones.

Anyway if my source is supposed to "overdamp", the easy fix would be to add a resistance such a like volume controller.
I'm a cable skeptic, but using my cheap koss vc20 actually affect the sound probably because of the big resistance or impedance (the resistance is adjustable, it's how the volume control works)

EDIT: just tried to plug my koss vc20, between, the hd800 & source, it does as I've expected tame the treble, however I find that sound quality is not much impacted, I'm wondering if doesn't sound better than using an eq (I must sleep, I will try again later).
Now off course using the vc20 looks lame, I must use two headphone adaptor.

EDIT2: frankly I don't know hich is best, taming with a resistance, or using an eq. At least my eq was tweaked (more bass impact), and it sound more dry with the resistance .


So this might be the secret finally of the so hard to drive hd800, a big damping factor, but not too big ? rolleyes.gif
Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/18/13 at 5:28am
post #3779 of 19928

 

Excellent article and very informative.

post #3780 of 19928
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post

The ZDSE says 'hi'.

 

-Daniel

 

The ZD doesn't really count in the OTL argument since since the beauty of the 6C33C-B is a solid state low output impedance in exchange for also heating small rooms ;)

 

Normally though, OTL and vintage receivers have a high output impedance which in turn acts like a bass boost for the HD800.

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