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post #3766 of 12408
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I personally don't get the "soul" thing. It's a transducer, that's all.

Well some people just don't get the "soul"  thing, while for other it's obvious. Let's say that it's easier to explain what's right on the hd800, than what's wrong;

so you end up  with "mystical words" like soulless , that are are as vague as possible. For some reason , the hd800 have a presentation that doesn't  necessarily trigger the pleasure.

 

I'm personally more happy with my last eq with hd800;  you'd think that adding small amounts,  like  2 db here and there doesn't have much impact, but actually it does. And this is within the variations, that sennheiser show in the measurements sent to people. Perhaps the hd800 are relatively neutral, but  the little variations on freq response , doesn't please everyone (add to this the lack of aggression). And off course, it could be neutral that doesn't please.

 

I've noticed something interesting when comparing  the srh940, sony mdr-v6 and mdr-z1000 : they all have a peak near 9k-10k, and a hole before. The sony mdr-v6 is relatively popular, and I  noticed that in the "superior" model, the mdr-z1000 , that the hole and peak  are even more exaggerated (probably the engineers thought that it would please more). Similarly the srh940 that I  like, have that 9k peak. The hd800 doesn't have kind of well marked peak near 9k, perhaps this affect my taste . But again, it only takes  for me a 2 db variation with eq, to make thing more or less enjoyable.

 

 

And finally perhaps a relevant thread would be

Your favourite "not the best" headphones?

You'd see people favoring some headphones, while knowing they are not the "best" in their collection.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/17/13 at 9:56am
post #3767 of 12408
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

 

The problem is the HD800 swings the other way.

 

Headphones don't have sexual preference. tongue_smile.gif

 

Or is this a subtle assertion of their high-pitched, effeminate nature?biggrin.gif


Edited by Kyle 491 - 7/17/13 at 10:14am
post #3768 of 12408

Just goes to show how subjective this hobby is...! 

 

The words 'dry' and 'distant' are the last words I'd use to describe the HD800's.. I find them very intimate with certain music and the fullness is just about right without being 'boggy' (Lcd2..) imaging is quite literally stupendous for a headphone and the realness is remarkable with genres such as world music and classical. Instruments sound real without any artificial weight. Yes the very top of the treble may sparkle more than reality but I'd rather have it that way than the other way round. Nothing is perfect... But for my personal preference its pretty much it :)

 

Plus!! 

 

Erm.. forgot what I was gonna say.,  ? Nope its gone. rolleyes.gif 

post #3769 of 12408

I didn't find the LCD-2s to be in the same league of SQ with the HD800s, while the LCD-3 are. Imo the LCD-2s get obliterated by the HD800s on any decent downstream, even if they sound so differently. The LCD-3s are euphonic and put up much tougher competition and I prefer the LCD-3s treble to that of the HD800s, as it is detailed and airy enough but never tiring. That said the HD800s have clearly better soundstaging and imaging.

 

Neither of these headphone is perfect and can be fined tuned to preferences through the rest of the downstream (be it amp/dac matching etc, cables, tubes, what has you).


Edited by negura - 7/17/13 at 3:31pm
post #3770 of 12408
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

I didn't find the LCD-2s to be in the same league of SQ with the HD800s, while the LCD-3 are. Imo the LCD-2s get obliterated by the HD800s on any decent downstream, even if they sound so differently. That said the HD800s have clearly better soundstaging and imaging.

 

Agreed though I would add that while the HD800 imaging is awesome, shoulder check good, in fact... it's not as focused as the LCD-3.  Instruments are larger, take up more space, have softer edges... but also play on a larger stage.    Which you prefer comes down to preference.

post #3771 of 12408
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

I didn't find the LCD-2s to be in the same league of SQ with the HD800s, while the LCD-3 are. Imo the LCD-2s get obliterated by the HD800s on any decent downstream, even if they sound so differently. The LCD-3s are euphonic and put up much tougher competition and I prefer the LCD-3s treble to that of the HD800s, as it is detailed and airy enough but never tiring. That said the HD800s have clearly better soundstaging and imaging.

 

Neither of these headphone is perfect and can be fined tuned to preferences through the rest of the downstream (be it amp/dac matching etc, cables, tubes, what has you).

 

 

I agree with this.  

 

However, I'm a treble head I guess, thus I prefer the HD800s treble over the LCD-3s..  The HD800s are pretty darn focused to me, and while I also agree the instruments are larger and take up more space with the LCD-3s.  The HD800s instruments have their "own" space with more air around them.  Where on the LCD-3s the space of the instruments don't separate as well.

post #3772 of 12408
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

I agree with this.  

 

However, I'm a treble head I guess, thus I prefer the HD800s treble over the LCD-3s..  The HD800s are pretty darn focused to me, and while I also agree the instruments are larger and take up more space with the LCD-3s.  The HD800s instruments have their "own" space with more air around them.  Where on the LCD-3s the space of the instruments don't separate as well.

 

To make things even more fun, I am starting to firmly believe you can't have one system tuned in just one way that is just as "perfect" of a match with both the LCD-3s and the HD800s at the same time. Can you find a very good compromise to work with both really nicely? Sure. But anything above that no. The closest I got to was either swapping a couple of cables & interfaces around or more recently coming up with a different set of tubes in the amplifier. I obviously prefer the latter.

 

Everytime I use just one of these headphone for any extended amount of time, I start tuning things and a couple of weeks later the other flagship sounds a bit off. The main reason for this is the LCD-3s and HD800s are so complementary, what is a strength for one is a weakness for the other. But I accept other people may be happy without pushing for the final bits of synergy.


Edited by negura - 7/17/13 at 4:42pm
post #3773 of 12408
Some of us can't have only one system, period. I've got so much schiit that I am too lazy to sell (spouse is now applying pressure) that I wind up "inventing" systems. (So far, the toilet is the only room music-free.)
post #3774 of 12408
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Originally Posted by ULUL View Post

When I was testing some of the higher end headphones a few months back, I was very impressed by the HD800. But there's a question of system matching. Currently have a pair of HE-500 that is just wonderful with a solid state amp. Like it more than the HD650 due to its transparency, speed, and detail. But I really do like the soundstage on the HD800 along with its transparnecy, speed and detail.. But as an issue of budget, the HD800 would have to be matched with a more budget amp. A question: Does the Crack w. Speedball do the HD800 sufficient justice if I already am running the HE-500 with a well matched solid state amp in the $600 range? I know that the OTL and solid state have difference sound. My understanding is that the HE-500 is considered somewhat 'forgiving' while the HD800 is not. Thus, I wonder if the Crack/Speedball is considered sufficient by may or would it be woefully inadequate and require a much higher four figure $ tube amp? Thanks, UL

 

Love to have some informed comments if I may. 

 

Thanks

UL

post #3775 of 12408
@ULUL

There are raving comments regarding bottlehead crack + hd800 combination , it's even on the page of the seller:

"With both the HD650 and the HD800, the Crack delivers one of the cleanest sound, the blackest background, the widest and deepest soundstage I’ve heard on any amp below the $1K mark." 

Headfonia Mike

Now off course  you can always find some head-fier that doesn't like the combination (especially a head-fier that takes pride in owning a uber expensive source, I guess).

http://www.bottlehead.com/store.php/products/crack-otl-headphone-amplifier-kit


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/17/13 at 6:44pm
post #3776 of 12408
I honestly dont understand how the HD800 can sound good from an OTL amp. The high Z output must wreak havoc with the HD800's impedance swings.
post #3777 of 12408

The ZDSE says 'hi'.

 

-Daniel

post #3778 of 12408
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I honestly dont understand how the HD800 can sound good from an OTL amp. The high Z output must wreak havoc with the HD800's impedance swings.

 

The current best wisdom, as far as I can tell and I'ma going to look into it more, is that the HD 800 needs something like 43 Ohms output impedance to sound best.

 

Yes...I'm spreading rumors, but I think this is a good one.

post #3779 of 12408
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

The current best wisdom, as far as I can tell and I'ma going to look into it more, is that the HD 800 needs something like 43 Ohms output impedance to sound best.

Yes...I'm spreading rumors, but I think this is a good one.

Maybe a link to your excellent dt880 32/250/600 ohm article that explained damping factor so very well?
post #3780 of 12408
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Maybe a link to your excellent dt880 32/250/600 ohm article that explained damping factor so very well?

Never mind, found it:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/comparison-beyerdynamic-dt-880-32-ohm-dt-880-250-ohm-and-dt-880-600-ohm-headphones
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