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post #3616 of 12336
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Well, well look a here Viktor.  It seems like we agree yet again.  I tried a pair of HD800 (anax mod) at a local meet and compared them to my HD800 with a Reign cable.  With my pair I did not experience this treble issue as well.  With the modded pair, I was sacrificing more things that I was willing to give up.  Soundstage, air around the instruments and so on.  It took away what the HD800s was "for me"  I will not put any additional mods on my pair other than an aftermarket cable.

The latest mods change the sou d quite a bit vs the original anax mod. The sound signature is closer to the original, just a little more benign in the treble, then again I haven't heard a stock pair in quite a while (on my to do list along with a diy cable idea I have). Still if you don't have an issue with the stock sound why fix it right?

+1 to that....

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Changing cable is farthest i will go if i wanted to have a bit diferent flavor to the sound...or otherwise save some money and upgrade the system smily_headphones1.gif
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I have both Meier Corda Jazz and Lehmann BCL. Moving from Jazz to BCL I saw what can only be described as marginal improvement. One cost £300 and the other is £650. I was expecting exactly double the improvement in sound but it was not the case. I must have moved back and forth between the two amps atleast 50 times but could not hear any great difference. It was only when I did some critical listening (ie closed my eyes, switched off the lights, played the best hi-def 24/96 music) that I could hear some marginal difference. I have come to the conclusion after my test that all SS amp that are designed well, have low distortion, and linear response should sound the same. I personally feel that the DAC plays a bigger role than which amp you choose. I read some really over the top reviews of BCL and HD800's and was totally left disappointed. First thought "I was hearing the same sound with my Meier Jazz".

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I have come to the conclusion after my test that all SS amp that are designed well, have low distortion, and linear response should sound the same. I personally feel that the DAC plays a bigger role than which amp you choose.

 

What you can conclude is that opamps followed by a buffer all pretty much sound like opamps into buffers ;)  I personally find it easier to hear amp changes than source changes.  Or put in other terms, amps scale in performance much faster $ for $ while source improvement are going to hurt.

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i hated hd 800s and bcl, sounded really boring and lacked dynamics as well. 

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i hated hd 800s and bcl, sounded really boring and lacked dynamics as well. 

http://www.headfonia.com/lehmann-black-cube-linear/

 

The above review makes an interesting read. Apparently the writer is really enamored with the Lehmann BCL and HD800 combo. Frankly I have lost faith in reading all these hyperbolic reviews on Headphone amplifiers. I just sold my Meier Jazz for 1/3 price of what I paid for it. Thank fully I did not pay full price on the Lehmann. Listening to it now it sounds great but I am sure if I would not switch to the Jazz it would sound equally great. 

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The Lehman is seriously overpriced and doesn't seem to cater for that many headphones. They're really popular here in the UK because they're lauded by the British hi-fi mags. I auditioned one with my T1's and felt extremely underwhelmed. Most of the really good amps never get mentioned in the magazines. Thank goodness for Head-Fi.
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@zigy626

You could have upgraded to Meier Classic which is around the same price as BCL. I am loving mine a lot with HD800, for the humble price.

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Yesterday I received Senn HDVD 800 and HD 800). 

Does anyone have advise for better usb cables for the dac? Or any experience? I'm now using a standard external hdd usb cable. And I know that the audio quality isn't at all what this set is capable of. I listened to exactly this set (through CD, now through DAC) and there was so much soundstage, detail, openness etc.

 

Someone wants to sell me Heavens Gate Ultra Supreme usb cable. Does anybody has any experience with this or something similar? The person tells me its alot better than the best audioquest usb cable.

 

Well, thanks alot.

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I'd worry about getting your HD800s balanced first, as most reports say the TRS out on the HDVD800 is quite lackluster compared to the balanced outputs. Cables should always be your last priority when ironing out the weak links imo...

 

-Daniel

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there is nothing subtle about digital signal transmission problems - the correct data either arrives or not - either you hear pops, clicks, dropouts or not

 

cables can conduct or radiate noise which may affect the DAC analog output or amp circuitry - but there's no excuse for a USB DAC manufacturer to have built something with such a problem

 

if suspected then clamp on and toroid ferrite can block common mode RF/EMI - but it helps to know the frequency range of the problem

 

[url]http://www.elmac.co.uk/pdfs/ferrite.pdf[/url]
[url]http://www.arvelo.net/N2MZZ/graphics/A%20Hamsguide-to-RFI-ferrrtes-baulns-audio-interfacing-k9yc.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]

 

and while I do hate the TRS "standard" and 1/8" TRS can be lots worse than 1/4" - it really makes little difference with 300 Ohm headphones, especially with 1/4" - by simple impedance ratioing the TRS common gnd contact R is 9x less important with 300 Ohm cans than with 32 Ohm headphones

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The USB cable is most certainly not affecting the results.  Do go balanced ASAP though.

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What is a sub/around $1000 amp that pairs well with the HD800? I recently switched from HD650 on my Little Dot MK III and found the 800 to be a bit too clinical, with sharp treble and not as much impact in the bass. What can I do to improve that?

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I liked the Burson Soloist in that range as well as the B22.
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Yesterday I received Senn HDVD 800 and HD 800). 



Does anyone have advise for better usb cables for the dac? Or any experience? I'm now using a standard external hdd usb cable. And I know that the audio quality isn't at all what this set is capable of. I listened to exactly this set (through CD, now through DAC) and there was so much soundstage, detail, openness etc.



 



Someone wants to sell me Heavens Gate Ultra Supreme usb cable. Does anybody has any experience with this or something similar? The person tells me its alot better than the best audioquest usb cable.



 



Well, thanks alot.


I just added the Wireworld Starlight and I'm impressed that it did make a difference from the "well made" Radio Shack cable I was using. The 5v conductor is separated from the data lines and there is more body and finer details being heard. If you want to go to their Platinum cable, I think you'd be pretty happy there. I've not tried it as the dealer didn't have one to audition but the Starlight was a revelation to this non believer.
Edited by Happy Camper - 7/11/13 at 1:56pm
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