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post #3586 of 13996
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I agree with a lot of what you say Bourne much of the time, but not this time.

 

I think tube lovers are a vocal minority overall (although head-fi has a disproportionately large congregation), and being a tube lover/owner yourself, your attention is naturally focused on tube related comments. I have heard the HD800 with some very nice tube amps and I agree they can sound very, very good. However, I have also heard the HD800 sound very, very good with SS amps.

 

It's my opinion that tube amps are a very specialized niche and I understand the appeal of them, but I suspect that you have some bias (which we all do) and perhaps you simply haven't heard enough SS amps that sound good (to you) with the HD800. I think this may be because you don't enjoy the HD800 "naked." Nothing wrong with that - humans don't all share the same tastes. And that's why there is such a resurgence in interest in tube amps. Go beyond the nostalgia, the tube rolling fun, and the neat-o looks, and they do have a certain kind of organic vivid sound quality that is pleasing.

 

On the other hand, I think a good engineer with audio circuit experience could design and build a SS amp that sounds EXACTLY like a Zana Deux - and it will sound that way right out of the box, 5 seconds after you turn it on, and every time you listen to it for 80 years to come - with zero maintenance and zero changes. Honestly, I'm surprised someone hasn't done this yet - build a high quality SS amp with a "tube" button on the front panel to switch between "SS sound" and "Tube sound." Better yet, how about a 4 position rotary dial to choose between specific amps?

 

1. Lehmann BCL

2. GS-X II

3. Liquid Fire

4. Zana Deux

 

It would be expensive, no doubt, but it's totally doable in my opinion...

I was more referring to the fact that I've read nearly every single thread here on the HD800 over the past few years and the 'posted' consensus, if you will, leans toward tube pairings with the HD800. Whether that's just a vocal minority or not I couldn't tell you. I can tell you that I have heard the HD800 on many vintage speaker amps, supposed cheaper ss synergystic pairings (TTVJ Fet A, Dynalo, m-Stage etc) and none of them could do it justice. Granted I haven't tried the upper tier ss amps with it as I'm currently have a Levithan being built, and possibly a GSX down the line for an ss option. I definitely prefer the hassle-free ease of solid state, but the ZDSE made a believer out of me.

 

-Daniel

 

PS: If someone makes an ss amp sound 'exactly' like a ZDSE, including it's wondrous soundstage-sign me up. :)

 

Prepo...nvm lol.

post #3587 of 13996
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

 

I think we're generalizing here too much. There are great tube amps and great solid state amps (along with poor tube/ss amps). Poor amps sound bad and good amps sound good. That's how you can tell them apart. tongue.gif

 

Agreed completely on the O2. Very nice starter amp and can compete with some poorly designed mid-fi stuff...but endgame...LoL. 

 

+1

 

good amps sound good and poor amps suck, thats about it, the rest is merely a preference. 

post #3588 of 13996

I having a Dynahi-DX built, hopefully another step up in the SS world.  biggrin.gif

post #3589 of 13996
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

I having a Dynahi-DX built, hopefully another step up in the SS world.  biggrin.gif

no going the LAu route? 

post #3590 of 13996
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no going the LAu route? 

Heck no.  No way.  $6.5K?  If it was $3K - I would be more interested.

post #3591 of 13996
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Heck no.  No way.  $6.5K?  

ditto! Add some change and you have the SimAudio moon amp! anyway, back to hd800. 

post #3592 of 13996
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Originally Posted by Cante Ista View Post

Just put my daughter for a nap and put my HD800 of F3 on. When the music came on I literally thought that I had the computer signal going into my speaker rig for a second there and reached to my receiver to turn down the volume, so that my daughter can sleep. Needless to say, the volume did not decrease. This mirage did not last long, but it was long enough to make me think -- DAMN THESE ARE GOOD HEADPHONES!!!

I have similar experience. +1
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

I'd think the problem is when you have other headphones (especially cheaper ones ) , and find that some qualities  are better on them. Then the question would be if you would blame the source, or the almighty hd800.

The almighty hd800, of course!
post #3593 of 13996

I spent a few days this weekend listening without the "Anax mod." Sure enough the treble spike (cliche, I know but what else could I call it?) snuck up on me again. I'm glad I stored the pieces on a sheet of tin foil. Reinstalled them and all is well again.

 

I have to wonder with all the R&D Sennheiser put into their flagship, what are others opinions on whether the response is by design or if it was somehow overlooked during production? Maybe it's just as close as they could get to perfect and they simply stopped messing with it (robbing Peter to pay Paul)?

post #3594 of 13996
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I spent a few days this weekend listening without the "Anax mod." Sure enough the treble spike (cliche, I know but what else could I call it?) snuck up on me again. I'm glad I stored the pieces on a sheet of tin foil. Reinstalled them and all is well again.

 

I have to wonder with all the R&D Sennheiser put into their flagship, what are others opinions on whether the response is by design or if it was somehow overlooked during production? Maybe it's just as close as they could get to perfect and they simply stopped messing with it (robbing Peter to pay Paul)?

 

I am also preferring the HD800s with my ANAX mods installed. What Sennheiser told me in person when I popped this question is that the a lot of recordings are too bright and the frequency response of the HD800 is perfectly adequate. Their R&D tuning methods are both objective, via measurements, and subjective using a group of listeners who are polled for results. I personally think I wouldn't be missing anything if the HD800s were a bit less bright (either through materials used or tuned slightly differently).


Edited by negura - 7/8/13 at 9:22am
post #3595 of 13996
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

 

I am also preferring the HD800s with my ANAX mods installed. What Sennheiser told me in person when I popped this question is that the a lot of recordings are too bright and the frequency response of the HD800 is perfectly adequate. Their R&D tuning methods are both objective, via measurements, and subjective using a group of listeners who are polled for results. I personally think I wouldn't be missing anything if the HD800s were a bit less bright (either through materials used or tuned slightly differently).


For me they are perfect. I have not experienced treble issues at all so I am glad they made them as they did.

different strokes....

post #3596 of 13996
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

 

 Their R&D tuning methods are both objective, via measurements, and subjective using a group of listeners who are polled for results.

 

Maybe "the subjective tests" were done only with classical music.

post #3597 of 13996
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

 

Maybe "the subjective tests" were done only with classical music.

 

I don't find the "tizz" to be genre dependent.

post #3598 of 13996
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

 

I don't find the "tizz" to be genre dependent.


I'm not sure I  understand this tizz thing.

Is it something that could be related to sibilance ?


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/8/13 at 10:06am
post #3599 of 13996

Yes, I suppose it is a form of sibilance. Only certain instrument sounds at a very specific frequency though. Imagine a steel brush on a snare drum or cymbal taps having a piercing sizzling bacon sound.

post #3600 of 13996
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Yes, I suppose it is a form of sibilance. Only certain instrument sounds at a very specific frequency though. Imagine a steel brush on a snare drum or cymbal taps having a piercing sizzling bacon sound.

Well, great that you managed to fix this.

 

I think I've finally understood how the anax mod works: it's about dampening , i.e you limit unwanted reflections in every hard parts, while off course you avoid to obstruct grills.

 

Perhaps just putting some kleenex would work ... biggrin.gif

Mmm more seriously I'm not sure if there  would be a basic solution, without that creatology thing.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 7/8/13 at 2:02pm
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