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post #3511 of 12333
How many out there who actually own the HD800 eq them, maybe a handful at most. Eqing them seems to be debated mostly out here on the "appreciation thread" by those who don't like them or own them.rolleyes.gif
Edited by dallan - 6/30/13 at 4:57pm
post #3512 of 12333
I dont EQ the headphones. I do apply EQ to music when needed. For example, an old 30's jazz recording that sounds muddy/dull I might turn up the treble or some 70's rock with light bass I might crank the bass up a bit. Many of my albums dont require EQ at all.

I have noticed a veiled quality with some software EQ - such as the EQ built into my Sansa Clip. Although I suspect the veil has more to do with the volume than anything else. I have found that EQ reduces volume which will give the impression of a loss of dynamics/clarity. Stop the music for a few seconds and turn the volume up a hair and the veil will be gone.

Nothing wrong with mechanical EQ either. Every audio amp on the planet uses circuitry that has a sound. Trimming the sound with a mechanical knob doesnt change the "quality" of the sound.

Jeez, this discussion is like arguing whether a blue car is better than a green car...
post #3513 of 12333
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post


I have noticed a veiled quality with some software EQ - such as the EQ built into my Sansa Clip. Although I suspect the veil has more to do with the volume than anything else. I have found that EQ reduces volume which will give the impression of a loss of dynamics/clarity. Stop the music for a few seconds and turn the volume up a hair and the veil will be gone.

 

The veil can be also linked to pre-echo artifacts, if you use linear phase eq ( post-echo being less annoying  with minimum phase). So many times I've read advice to just ignore linear phase eq, and just use minimum phase, but I prefer  to boost bass with linear phase.

post #3514 of 12333
I have no idea what that means. On the other hand, I must acknowledge the opinion of anyone who can hear a difference of 0.1 dB...
post #3515 of 12333

No software EQ here, but I do use Lucid mode 1 and sometimes mode 2 on my Taboo MKIII.

 

I will be rollin' some tubes soon.


Edited by bearFNF - 6/30/13 at 5:48pm
post #3516 of 12333
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I dont EQ the headphones. I do apply EQ to music when needed. For example, an old 30's jazz recording that sounds muddy/dull I might turn up the treble or some 70's rock with light bass I might crank the bass up a bit. Many of my albums dont require EQ at all.

I have noticed a veiled quality with some software EQ - such as the EQ built into my Sansa Clip. Although I suspect the veil has more to do with the volume than anything else. I have found that EQ reduces volume which will give the impression of a loss of dynamics/clarity. Stop the music for a few seconds and turn the volume up a hair and the veil will be gone.

Nothing wrong with mechanical EQ either. Every audio amp on the planet uses circuitry that has a sound. Trimming the sound with a mechanical knob doesnt change the "quality" of the sound.

Jeez, this discussion is like arguing whether a blue car is better than a green car...

I don't eq headphones either.  I buy ones i like, then i don't have to.  

 

So i had a Sansa Fuze once and the sound quality was flat and lifeless, i had bought it to play Flac files which it supported.  I can understand the issue with Sansa and the veiled sound.

post #3517 of 12333
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Originally Posted by dallan View Post

How many out there who actually own the HD800 eq them, maybe a handful at most. Eqing them seems to be debated mostly out here on the "appreciation thread" by those who don't like them or own them.rolleyes.gif

Ya man! I never EQ them...No need.

post #3518 of 12333
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

So here is hopefully my last eq attempt.
This was adjusted by ear, rather than relying on some measurements found on the net.
And below, explanations of the parts of curve.





Boost in 1300 - 2500 hz region: put vocals more forward , make them more euphonic

Large drop after 2500 hz : reduce sibilance

Cavity after 10 khz: treble is reduced, more relaxing

Below 150 hz: boosting sub bass

With this eq, the recording "Point de suture" from Mylene Farmer sounds much less sibilant, and more euphonic .
Works with other stuff too.

It's not so easy to eq the hd800, because you mess up either  the clean sound or tightness of bass.
I tried to preserve both ( clean sound & tight bass) , by adopting a solution , that combine minimum phase  & linear phase eq-ing.


Try this link you may like the setting in here, it may help you
http://www.head-fi.org/t/555263/foobar2000-dolby-headphone-config-comment-discuss
post #3519 of 12333
Its undeniable that they need EQ for songs with a low dynamic range, especially rock. Dropping the 4-8khz region by a few decibels helps remove harshness without comprising the soundstage size much. But then again, so do the HE-500, which are more forgiving and the fostex th900, which need more serious eq as the are pretty uneven in this region. The upper midrange is my greatest issue in dynamic cans, it never entirely sounds natural and smooth.
post #3520 of 12333
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Originally Posted by Kyle 491 View Post

Its undeniable that they need EQ for songs with a low dynamic range, especially rock.

Well, I would agree, eq-ing helps with over-compressed stuff, especially if it sounds harsh.

I find the fact that the hd800 is "very revealing" a poor excuse, when you see how it deals with recordings of that kind.

 

@ozzoo7

Quote:
Try this link you may like the setting in here, it may help you
http://www.head-fi.org/t/555263/foobar2000-dolby-headphone-config-comment-discuss

I found that with my last eq settings, the hd800 were enough relaxing/ easy to listen without relying to that kind of effects.

A free alternative to dolby headphone (well it sounds more or less same to me):

http://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/virtual-studio/

post #3521 of 12333

Coming from Speakers the serious headphone is a new area for me.  I heard the HD800 at a meet and was blown away.  It is the closest thing to sitting in the sweet spot with speakers where everything hits your ears just so perfect that the music/sounds takes you.  I do enjoy the speakers more but the HD800 is right up there with soundstage, air, imaging, and detail.  It is worth every penny IMO.  I have other cans which are great and enjoy very much but don't know if I can say it is worth every penny.  (TH900 gets close in terms of fun)

post #3522 of 12333
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Originally Posted by dallan View Post

I don't eq headphones either.  I buy ones i like, then i don't have to.  

 

 

 

 

post #3523 of 12333

^^^^ +1 

post #3524 of 12333
^^^^ -1

The terminology is actually wrong as you don't EQ the headphones but the music coming from your source.
Had at one time three different amps (same DAC)and the HD800 had ....you have guessed it...three slightly different sound signatures.
Now which one is the by Sennheiser intended one?Nobody really knows!
All we do here is judging the HD800 as a final aural result when going through one's one system which can range from Fijo to....you name it!
post #3525 of 12333
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Originally Posted by silversurfer616 View Post

^^^^ -1

The terminology is actually wrong as you don't EQ the headphones but the music coming from your source.
Had at one time three different amps (same DAC)and the HD800 had ....you have guessed it...three slightly different sound signatures.
Now which one is the by Sennheiser intended one?Nobody really knows!
All we do here is judging the HD800 as a final aural result when going through one's one system which can range from Fijo to....you name it!

Yeah I hear what you saying and it makes sense. But there are those who will say that any EQ distorts the sound. This will affect the sound before it reaches the headphones of course. But its still the headphones that let you hear the distorted sound whether its amplifier tone controls or software. For me a headphone such as the HD800 is the nearest I've got to a clean window on both my music and my system and so I try to keep it this way :)  

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