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post #3481 of 19176
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Got a PM from coloware they are repainting hD800 for 299.00 if anyone is interested

Thanks Frank. Seems like a good business move as not many people are going to re-buy the headphones just for the paint job. 

post #3482 of 19176
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Got a PM from coloware they are repainting hD800 for 299.00 if anyone is interested

Very good news! Thank you.
post #3483 of 19176
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Nothing is perfect, but is there another headphone more linear without getting into top Stax territory?  

 

Every ortho comes to mind ;)  Even the 'lesser' ones tend to be flat from 20-1KHz.  Only taking linear performance into account.  I zero out that treble shelf and boom linear AND all the other things we love the HD800 for stick around.  Win win.

 

post #3484 of 19176

Not surprising after owning the HD700 for just over a year :) No fatigue at all for me. Everything else from the HD600, HD650, HD700, HE500 caused some discomfort over long sessions.. some for different reasons. The overall tonal balance of the HD800 works for me, an least in the setup I have.

 

Sorry.. can't play this video in Canada.. go figure.

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@MickeyVee View Post

A bit surprising.

 

By the way, how do you find the sibilance on this track with the hd800 ?

It's in french, but the sssss are largely resonating.

 


Edited by MickeyVee - 6/28/13 at 5:25pm
post #3485 of 19176
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Sorry.. can't play this video in Canada.. go figure.

frown.gif, I hate these copyright restrictions. It's easier to get illegally the damn thing, than just view the video.

Track "Appelle Mon Numéro" from artist "Mylène Farmer" , album "point de souture".

Maybe this link would work (not as good as the official vevo):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am8Y4zK942g

post #3486 of 19176

Yup, a whole album of that would drive me nuts. It's the recording, not the HD800. Also tried it with my M100's which have noticeable top end roll off and even heard it on them. It's too bad that poor engineering ruins a good song.  Happens all the time.

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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

frown.gif, I hate these copyright restrictions. It's easier to get illegally the damn thing, than just view the video.

Track "Appelle Mon Numéro" from artist "Mylène Farmer" , album "point de souture".

Maybe this link would work (not as good as the official vevo):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am8Y4zK942g

post #3487 of 19176
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Originally Posted by MickeyVee View Post

Yup, a whole album of that would drive me nuts. It's the recording, not the HD800. Also tried it with my M100's which have noticeable top end roll off and even heard it on them. It's too bad that poor engineering ruins a good song.  Happens all the time.


I think there's sibilance on the recording , but the hd800 makes it more obvious.

Anyways, I  love  this artist, so this is the hd800 fault.wink.gif

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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

 

Every ortho comes to mind ;)  Even the 'lesser' ones tend to be flat from 20-1KHz.  Only taking linear performance into account.  I zero out that treble shelf and boom linear AND all the other things we love the HD800 for stick around.  Win win.

 

I agree that the LCD2's are linear hp's. but from the mids onwards no.

 

You see when I look at that graph, I see one below linearity and one above in the treble. And in fact the HD800 is more focused on the neutral, apart from that obvious peak. Where as the LCD has a steady slope down from the mids. The dip around 3-4 is predictable because humans are very sensitive to this area and we actually have a natural dip in our hearing at this range. That's why hp's that are flat or emphasized at this point always cause us problems and the LCD2's are no exception. Though the K701's instantly spring to mind with more severity. The Senns also start dipping in the bass just on the mark of what we can hear, where as the LCD2 just keep going.. No need.

 

Its an argument that can't be proven on paper though my friend. Probably best to ask a professional studio producer which one they would use to master a recording of Beethoven's symphonies... Me thinks me knows which one they would choose ;)    

post #3489 of 19176

Not saying the LCD-2 is neutral just pointing out that the HD800 isn't either.  Neither would make great mixing cans since one would give you a light mix and the other a dark one.  HD800 is great at finding errors though, LCD-2 not so much.

post #3490 of 19176
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Originally Posted by MickeyVee View Post

The HD800 don't blow you away.. they grow on you.  They just keep on getting better and better.  I found that a headphones that blew me away initially ended up grating on me in the long term. For me, HE400, HD650 are case in point.  I've heard the HD800 a number of times over the years and really didn't like them much until I owned many others.  Only then could I appreciate them. Also, they are the only headphones that I find non-fatiguing over longer listening sessions.

 

$1100 is an awesome price!

 

I have to agree that the 20 minutes or so that I got to listen to them was certainly not enough to give good judgement, which is why I said my impressions were probably skewed. Anyway, I really do think any headphone, IEM, or speaker, given time, will "grow" on you. It happened with my ad900x, vc02, and to an extent the m31p that I got. While quickly switching between them, the flaws in the lower end ones were apparent, but it becomes less noticeable as you listen to them more and more. It's just a thing our minds do, like in that one experiment where people's views were turned upside down, and their brains somehow turned it back over after a given amount of time. Of course, there are less subtle details that even our brains can't mask like drastic changes in fq response. 

 

I really want to go back to that store now to demo again, once I have more time. Also, I will be (even more) prepared the next time (by bringing my own music and test tracks), as originally it only caught my sight by chance...

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So here is hopefully my last eq attempt.

This was adjusted by ear, rather than relying on some measurements found on the net.

And below, explanations of the parts of curve.

 

 

 

Boost in 1300 - 2500 hz region: put vocals more forward , make them more euphonic
Large drop after 2500 hz : reduce sibilance
Cavity after 10 khz: treble is reduced, more relaxing
Below 150 hz: boosting sub bass

 

With this eq, the recording "Point de suture" from Mylene Farmer sounds much less sibilant, and more euphonic .

Works with other stuff too.

 

It's not so easy to eq the hd800, because you mess up either  the clean sound or tightness of bass.

I tried to preserve both ( clean sound & tight bass) , by adopting a solution , that combine minimum phase  & linear phase eq-ing.

post #3492 of 19176
Cheaper ti sell the HD800 and buy LCD-2. wink.gif
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Also,hardware EQ works better for the HD800...as compared to software EQ.
post #3494 of 19176
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Cheaper ti sell the HD800 and buy LCD-2. wink.gif
Definitely not worth the downgrade for the majority, unfortunately.
post #3495 of 19176
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post


Definitely not worth the downgrade for the majority, unfortunately.


Agreed.

 

Its the clarity and spaciousness and uncolored balanced sound that grabbed me. No other headphone does it like the HD800.

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