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post #3376 of 13422
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Originally Posted by RIQUE View Post

 

Great point.  It makes no sense to discuss if HD800 sound good or not with metal music. Metal and the like e.i. acid metal, death metal call it what you want have way to much distortion and complexity to be used as music to judge a headphones quality.  Don´t get me wrong I love Rock but some heavy metal is just to heavy for me to pick up or listen to.

you could get slated for saying that here. Some people will think your accusing them of bad taste or something like that but i think you have a point (- well kind of ). I love metal but don't i listen to that much any more, once the last of the trash metal bands died out i jumped train. In saying that i'm sure there are new metal bands out there with good production - Lamb of god and Opeth spring to mind. 

post #3377 of 13422
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post

you could get slated for saying that here. Some people will think your accusing them of bad taste or something like that but i think you have a point (- well kind of ). I love metal but don't i listen to that much any more, once the last of the trash metal bands died out i jumped train. In saying that i'm sure there are new metal bands out there with good production - Lamb of god and Opeth spring to mind. 


Opeth's new recordaings sound stellar on a good headphone setup.

post #3378 of 13422
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Originally Posted by BleaK View Post


Opeth's new recordaings sound stellar on a good headphone setup.

Yes indeed those guys know what they are doing. i know its not really and truely metal but the damnation album sounds particularly good, i would love to hear that on hd800. i just got the T1 today and that album sounds great on it. 

post #3379 of 13422

So I've reached an impasse with the HD800 and I hope folks can weigh in. They are, at once, the most amazing headphone I've owned, and one of the most frustrating. They overwhelmed me when I first heard them at the headphone counter at J&R through my portable amp and iPod—the soundstaging, out-of-head thing in particular—so I bought a pair. But over the long run, I've found them difficult to kick back with and simply enjoy. They can have a slightly lit-up, even wiry timbre that I can't quite relax into. I'm not talking about excessive treble or brightness but rather what I hear as a slightly metallic tonality. 

 

I've tried a bevy of amps and just ordered a balanced Cardas cable. Currently I'm auditioning Donald North's superb Sonett 2, based on his Stratus, and recently had a chance to take the HD800 to another Head-Fier's place (thanks ericfarrell85!) where I listened to them through a Decware CSP2+ and a Zana Deux. Both superb amps, in their respective ways. Neither, to my mind, succeeded entirely in making the HD800 a pleasurable and relaxing headphone. Honestly, the only amp I've heard come close was the easy-going, cheap but good Matrix M-Stage, by warming up the presentation, but I didn't think it was able to take full advantage of the HD800s resolving and imaging potential. And that's the conundrum—the Hd800 seems to demand an amp (and source) that's at once super-resolving and utterly laid back. And I'm not sure such a thing exists. With my HD650, I can relax and enjoy the music for hours, but I also know that they are simply not as good as the HD800. But when I put on the HD800, the enjoyment often proves elusive and I can't focus on the music. I'm beginning to fear that they may not be for me. Can anyone dissuade me?

post #3380 of 13422

Sadly that is because of its response.  You can EQ it out, get a lush tube amp or source or... get what is a better HD650, the LCD-2 or LCD-3.

 

post #3381 of 13422
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Originally Posted by mink70 View Post

So I've reached an impasse with the HD800 and I hope folks can weigh in. They are, at once, the most amazing headphone I've owned, and one of the most frustrating. They overwhelmed me when I first heard them at the headphone counter at J&R through my portable amp and iPod—the soundstaging, out-of-head thing in particular—so I bought a pair. But over the long run, I've found them difficult to kick back with and simply enjoy. They can have a slightly lit-up, even wiry timbre that I can't quite relax into. I'm not talking about excessive treble or brightness but rather what I hear as a slightly metallic tonality. 

 

I've tried a bevy of amps and just ordered a balanced Cardas cable. Currently I'm auditioning Donald North's superb Sonett 2, based on his Stratus, and recently had a chance to take the HD800 to another Head-Fier's place (thanks ericfarrell85!) where I listened to them through a Decware CSP2+ and a Zana Deux. Both superb amps, in their respective ways. Neither, to my mind, succeeded entirely in making the HD800 a pleasurable and relaxing headphone. Honestly, the only amp I've heard come close was the easy-going, cheap but good Matrix M-Stage, by warming up the presentation, but I didn't think it was able to take full advantage of the HD800s resolving and imaging potential. And that's the conundrum—the Hd800 seems to demand an amp (and source) that's at once super-resolving and utterly laid back. And I'm not sure such a thing exists. With my HD650, I can relax and enjoy the music for hours, but I also know that they are simply not as good as the HD800. But when I put on the HD800, the enjoyment often proves elusive and I can't focus on the music. I'm beginning to fear that they may not be for me. Can anyone dissuade me?

 

I agree to a certain extent. With the HD800 source is extremely important and more so than other headphones I've owned. Many headphones the DAC doesn't matter as much as long as it is a good quality dac but with these I found a big difference (to me at least) with different dacs. I had the Anedio D1 as my dac which I thought was excellent but I think it gives the same kind of tonality as you were referring to. At that time I had the HE6 as well and my choice went to the HE6 most of the time. I found a Buffalo III dac and that changed everything for me. 

 

I do agree that the HD800 is amazing but yet also so frustrating at the same time if you can't find the right rig for it.

post #3382 of 13422
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Originally Posted by mink70 View Post

So I've reached an impasse with the HD800 and I hope folks can weigh in. They are, at once, the most amazing headphone I've owned, and one of the most frustrating.

 Yeah , took me a while to pinpoint what I found wrong with them. What a loss of time.

 

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With my HD650, I can relax and enjoy the music for hours, but I also know that they are simply not as good as the HD800. But when I put on the HD800, the enjoyment often proves elusive and I can't focus on the music. I'm beginning to fear that they may not be for me. Can anyone dissuade me?

 

The keyword on what you said is "focus". The hd800 has unusually wide stereo separation. Strictly speaking, "stereo separation", is the difference between left & right signal, and I'm thinking that having a cleaner sound contribute to that separation.

Try to use some crossfeed.  Curiously, I  think that boosting the sub bass helps too (below 100 hz).

Dsp can mess up the clarity of hd800, but it's  hard to keep everything.

 

You can also change your listening habits, by avoiding music with too wide stereo separation, or just do not work while listening music at same time (it's easier to "focus", if you only listen to music) .  Or buy a mega expensive gear with proper crossfeed.

 

In my opinion, people spend too much time (and money) in trying to make the hd800 sound right.

 

 

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I'm not talking about excessive treble or brightness but rather what I hear as a slightly metallic tonality.

 

Sibilance with particular recordings, that's my experience (myléne farmer ...).

The treble can be pretty euphonic, try "thursday afternoon" by Brian Eno.

 

post #3383 of 13422
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post

you could get slated for saying that here. Some people will think your accusing them of bad taste or something like that but i think you have a point (- well kind of ). I love metal but don't i listen to that much any more, once the last of the trash metal bands died out i jumped train. In saying that i'm sure there are new metal bands out there with good production - Lamb of god and Opeth spring to mind. 


Some people believe that electronica isn't sufficiently qualitative to use for analytical listening, due to its lack of... reality.  IMHO, this is wrong.  I've even read not so veiled attacks on the whole genre in this thread. It has good and bad reproductions just like any other.  Admittedly most dance/trace is poorly produced.  But it would be a mistake to dismiss the greats like Eno, Lynch and Orbit because of this.

 

Recently I've started using Boards of Canada's 'Dayvan Cowboy' as a staple in my listening tests. The first half of the track is almost pure distortion. But its beautiful, sharp, spacious and accurate generated distortion. Each individual pico note paints a needle in the tapestry of sound.  This is totally different from amplification distortion or driver distortion. That's a totally different animal and we can all agree its crap, I'm sure.  I feel generated distortion gives you an immediate sense of speed and attack and detail. Very revealing of what the whole chain can do. True, its only one aspect, but still a good one. If you mix up sourced distortion with distortion from equipment - your missing the bigger picture.

post #3384 of 13422
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Originally Posted by NightFlight View Post


I feel generated distortion gives you an immediate sense of speed and attack and detail.

Try the dsp "spl transient designer", and push the attack knob, simple as that.

I don't think it's great to have it always on, but it manages to increase the attack.

 

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If you mix up sourced distortion with distortion from equipment - your missing the bigger picture.

 

You are assuming  your equipment is free from distortions.

post #3385 of 13422
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Originally Posted by mink70 View Post

So I've reached an impasse with the HD800 and I hope folks can weigh in. They are, at once, the most amazing headphone I've owned, and one of the most frustrating. They overwhelmed me when I first heard them at the headphone counter at J&R through my portable amp and iPod—the soundstaging, out-of-head thing in particular—so I bought a pair. But over the long run, I've found them difficult to kick back with and simply enjoy. They can have a slightly lit-up, even wiry timbre that I can't quite relax into. I'm not talking about excessive treble or brightness but rather what I hear as a slightly metallic tonality. 

I've tried a bevy of amps and just ordered a balanced Cardas cable. Currently I'm auditioning Donald North's superb Sonett 2, based on his Stratus, and recently had a chance to take the HD800 to another Head-Fier's place (thanks ericfarrell85!) where I listened to them through a Decware CSP2+ and a Zana Deux. Both superb amps, in their respective ways. Neither, to my mind, succeeded entirely in making the HD800 a pleasurable and relaxing headphone. Honestly, the only amp I've heard come close was the easy-going, cheap but good Matrix M-Stage, by warming up the presentation, but I didn't think it was able to take full advantage of the HD800s resolving and imaging potential. And that's the conundrum—the Hd800 seems to demand an amp (and source) that's at once super-resolving and utterly laid back. And I'm not sure such a thing exists. With my HD650, I can relax and enjoy the music for hours, but I also know that they are simply not as good as the HD800. But when I put on the HD800, the enjoyment often proves elusive and I can't focus on the music. I'm beginning to fear that they may not be for me. Can anyone dissuade me?
You can always try the anax mod posted over at inner fidelity, this might solve your problem.
post #3386 of 13422

One thing ive noticed with the HD800 over many other cans is that an equalizer is your best friend. Other cans ive had distort if you change the sound too much. Give it a nice \ and you should be good to go. 

post #3387 of 13422

Nods if you use JRiver, I like this parametric equalizer...

 

-6dB @ 7000Hz, Bandwidth 5.

post #3388 of 13422

Where did that LCD-3 come from?  SMH and face palm.....

 

Why didn't you bring a 2A3 in the house?

post #3389 of 13422

Trying to stay away from tubes if I can.  That and the GS-X mk2 fills all my check boxes I need in an amp so... sources and cans. 

post #3390 of 13422
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Trying to stay away from tubes if I can.  That and the GS-X mk2 fills all my check boxes I need in an amp so... sources and cans. 

From an old tube guy like me, I'm sitting pretty with my GS-X, like Regis, fills all of my check boxes too.

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