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post #3331 of 13362
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

It doesn't matter at all. It's all started when lubug1 stated that even metal is more enjoyable on the hd800, because they are top notch or whatever. And I partially  disagree.

Erm don't bring me back into this biggrin.gif  

 

He started it not me! tongue_smile.gif

post #3332 of 13362

On the actual metal part of the argument... HD800 is an awesome metal/punk/alternative can because that quick to stop trait keeps these genres from turning into a wall of sound.  I zero out the treble ridge on them to bring cymbals back in line but otherwise great.  Generally speaking those music types don't need to be any dirtier.

post #3333 of 13362
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Originally Posted by Pustik View Post

I've finally acquired amplifier for my hd 800 which was the last piece that I needed. After about 2 month of search I've finally decided to go with solid state amp.

 

Here is my setup FLAC  ->  VLC  ->  Burson DA-160  ->  Rockhopper Beta 22 6-channel  -> HD 800.

 

Humongous difference between my logitech speakers and this setup.

 

Sounds amazing, especially classical, jazz, flamenco guitar. All minor details that i havent heard before now stand out clearly.

 

Tried listening to hip-hop, rnb it sounded poorly. It sounded like it sounds on my speakers, unimpressed.

 

Blu-ray movies sound awesome. Action movies are much more dynamic, sound is at real as it gets.

 

Few things i do want to point out about this setup. First amp gets hot quickly, after 15-20 min of use its hot, not sure if thats ok never owned amplifier before.

 

Second, it seems to be popular debate about bass on sennheisers hd 800, with my setup bass is more than enough, actually i want less of bass, yes im serious.

 

First song that ive listened to on my setup was Whitney Houston - I will always love you, I felt like i was in heaven, I listened to it more than 5 times yesterday I couldnt get enough of it.

 

Some inconveniences that i should point out.

 

First, switching from speakers to headphones in computer settings can be tedious,

 

 

I will be adding more impressions as i had my setup for only one day, overall im very happy but now i pick music to listen to when i have my headphones.

 

 

First thing you might want to start working with is a dedicated music player like Foobar (http://www.foobar2000.org/) this is free or J. River (http://jriver.com/) this has a free trial.  This is if your using a PC, there's others if your using a MAC.  

 

Leave VLC or video playback if possible.

post #3334 of 13362
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

The word is aggression or attack.  It's related to control or lack there of not speed. 

Yeah, I'd like more "aggression or attack" on hd800,  when I  keep the sound of srh940 in mind.  I'm not surprised that you are accusing the rig once again. With genre like classical I'm not missing this.

 

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

There are only a few headphones that I truly "hate...and sorry, the SRH940s are one of them.[...]  Way too much treble and bass that is none existent...simply horrible to my ears.

This was my original impression but it evolved with time:  they are just quite sensitive to positioning. And other considerations, I'll skip here.

 

Edit, regarding metal:

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@Solude

Generally speaking those music types don't need to be any dirtier.

Cleaner is enjoyable, but energy matters too.

 

And finally:  I'm not saying the hd800 are bad for metal (it's still interesting to listen, with hd800 qualities) , they just wouldn't be my primary choice.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 6/16/13 at 5:48am
post #3335 of 13362

Energy is in the recording and only needs bumping up if the source isn't picking it up.  As for gear... I had the HD800 twice before and simply thought it was a lifeless, distant, mess.  So there is something to the whole gear thing.

post #3336 of 13362

X2. Everyone has their subjective opinion but what matters most is what sounds good to you not to anyone else. Mike opinion may be completely different than other people, and while it may be valid to one person it can be completely different to another person.

post #3337 of 13362

I look at peoples profiles and see if they own or have ever owned the headphone in question, thus it can give me an ability to weigh there posts.  There was one user who used to post issues with the 800 and admittedly he didn't own one pair of headphones.  If you look at what they own and are used to hearing, you can see where comments come from often.  

 

I jump around between four closed and two open pairs.  I have heard many others at meets that i will occasionally comment on but i usually leave most of the discussion to those who own or have sold them due to the fact that they have more insight from actually to living with the phones.  That said, the HD800 gets most use, and that is with live music, rock and jazz.  No hip hop or rap here, every now and then some jamband electronica. 


Edited by dallan - 6/16/13 at 9:06am
post #3338 of 13362
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Energy is in the recording and only needs bumping up if the source isn't picking it up.  As for gear... I had the HD800 twice before and simply thought it was a lifeless, distant, mess.  So there is something to the whole gear thing.


 when you did have it on those 2 occasions was it with different gear each time? Why did you buy it a 3rd time? i presume you got upgrades and gave it another go. what changed your mind?

post #3339 of 13362
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post


Because he reviewed lot of headphones, and statements here like : "The HD800's are much faster than any dynamic headphone out there".

But this is Mike, he runs a business and his hearing is not "the" reference. Most people here who actually know sound and can critique things hold no regard for his opinions, I'm sorry.

 

But the 940's can definitely be better for the music you've described, because that's your take on it and how you like it.

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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

You can see on the impulse that the hd800 provide better decay, while the srh940 provide better attack, which could result in a different perception of speed.  I've discussed this on the  post, just before you exhibited your nice rig.

I'm sorry but you did not read the impulse response graph correctly. It's in front of our eyes to see, the HD800's recover quicker so I'm bringing back the image for you to double-check

 

post #3340 of 13362

NVM.

 

 


Edited by Pustik - 6/16/13 at 3:33pm
post #3341 of 13362

@dleblanc343

 

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But this is Mike, he runs a business and his hearing is not "the" reference. Most people here who actually know sound and can critique things hold no regard for his opinions, I'm sorry.

It's so easy to disregard opinions that are not the same as yours. I was ready to accept whatever impression from mike. I asked him because he reviewed both the srh940 & hd800.

Also mike discussed a lot about synergy of hd800 with rig , and tried many rig , so I assume he tried a "proper" rig for the hd800.

I could point out to other post , with people that agree that hd800 might not be best for metal,  but you'd disregard them as well.

 

Oh yeah, just found an other review for you, I quote Asr:

 

HD800 was consistently too passive-sounding to really get into metal and give it that needed aggression. I will say simply that the HD800 was boring with metal, and who wants boring metal ?

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/511201/review-beyerdynamic-t1-vs-sennheiser-hd800

 

He used the word aggression, this hit the nails for me.

 

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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

I'm sorry but you did not read the impulse response graph correctly. It's in front of our eyes to see, the HD800's recover quicker so I'm bringing back the image for you to double-check

 

The hd800 recover quicker, where do I have denied this ? But the srh940 attack is better : can't you see the sharp and elevated first peak ?

Anyway, this just correlates what I'm hearing .

post #3342 of 13362
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

@dleblanc343

It's so easy to disregard opinions that are not the same as yours. I was ready to accept whatever impression from mike. I asked him because he reviewed both the srh940 & hd800.
Also mike discussed a lot about synergy of hd800 with rig , and tried many rig , so I assume he tried a "proper" rig for the hd800.
I could point out to other post , with people that agree that hd800 might not be best for metal,  but you'd disregard them as well.

Oh yeah, just found an other review for you, I quote Asr:

HD800 was consistently too passive-sounding to really get into metal and give it that needed aggression. I will say simply that the HD800 was boring with metal, and who wants boring metal ?

http://www.head-fi.org/t/511201/review-beyerdynamic-t1-vs-sennheiser-hd800

He used the word aggression, this hit the nails for me.


The hd800 recover quicker, where do I have denied this ? But the srh940 attack is better : can't you see the sharp and elevated first peak ?
Anyway, this just correlates what I'm hearing .
The most aggressive rig I've ever heard, period, was my Gungnir -> Bryston BHA-1 -> HD800 (balanced). It was so aggressive I had to have a change and went for a more neutral presentation in the X-Sabre and GS-X2. I've heard almost all of the modern Grados, some of the most aggressive headphones out there and they paled in comparison.

Regarding the impulse response, you keep looking at it in a vacuum. Music is hundreds of impulses smashed together constantly, you can't just look at it in a vacuum of one impulse. The rebound difference is very telling of why the HD800 sounds so much cleaner and can adapt to the music being played through it. It can be ultra smooth for jazz/vocal or it can be aggressive for metal/electronica, all because it has a cleaner response. The SRH940 is always-on aggressive. This is probably why it only sounds good with certain genres.

Think of impulse response like a race car accelerating and braking. The HD800 is the car that accelerates right to the tip of the braking zone, slows just enough through the corner to stay stable and hits the gas at the end of braking/cornering zone. The SRH940 guns the gas too deep into the corner getting there faster, but losing control and slipping around, and getting on the gas after the HD800 has already passed them again. That is looking at it in a vacuum of a single impulse. Add 100 cars going through the same corner, you are much more likely to see a ton of wrecks from the SRH940 because it's 'cars' are slipping and sliding everywhere as well as bunching up in the corner from getting there fast and getting out slow. Then you see the HD800 set all driving through cleanly because they are going the proper speeds and maintaining control.

With the SRH940, once you get past the first impulse, into the next and the next, you are already out of control and the loss of control stays with the sound until it stops again. This results in an aggressive harsh muddy sound that is what I've heard from them.
post #3343 of 13362
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post


The most aggressive rig I've ever heard, period, was my Gungnir -> Bryston BHA-1 -> HD800 (balanced). It was so aggressive I had to have a change and went for a more neutral presentation in the X-Sabre and GS-X2. I've heard almost all of the modern Grados, some of the most aggressive headphones out there and they paled in comparison.

 

Interesting, although just to clarify things, I'm talking of how it affect perceived speed, not just peaky/harsh treble.

 

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The HD800 is the car that accelerates right to the tip of the braking zone, slows just enough through the corner to stay stable and hits the gas at the end of braking/cornering zone.

Yeah, the hd800 achieve a good control, it's sounds perhaps overall  more natural or accurate. But there would be more excitement with the hd800 ,  if according to your description "the car accelerated more before reaching the tip".

 

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With the SRH940, once you get past the first impulse, into the next and the next, you are already out of control and the loss of control stays with the sound until it stops again. This results in an aggressive harsh muddy sound that is what I've heard from them.

Yes the srh940 are muddier, but there are times I'm willing to trade the  clean sound of hd800 for more excitement. And as someone pointed out , metal is already "dirty", and a layer of muddiness doesn't hurt that much.

 

Ideally I'd have both: clean sound & aggressiveness.

post #3344 of 13362
Actually you mis-read his comment. He said metal doesn't need to be any dirtier. When energetic music is ultra clean, it sounds fast. When it is muddy it sounds hazy and slow.
post #3345 of 13362
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

When it is muddy it sounds hazy and slow.

Impact of percussions on srh940 are sharp and strong, it overcomes the layer of muddiness. And the srh940 are only muddy when compared to hd800, they sound cleaner than my hd595.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 6/16/13 at 4:25pm
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