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post #3331 of 18747

X2. Everyone has their subjective opinion but what matters most is what sounds good to you not to anyone else. Mike opinion may be completely different than other people, and while it may be valid to one person it can be completely different to another person.

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I look at peoples profiles and see if they own or have ever owned the headphone in question, thus it can give me an ability to weigh there posts.  There was one user who used to post issues with the 800 and admittedly he didn't own one pair of headphones.  If you look at what they own and are used to hearing, you can see where comments come from often.  

 

I jump around between four closed and two open pairs.  I have heard many others at meets that i will occasionally comment on but i usually leave most of the discussion to those who own or have sold them due to the fact that they have more insight from actually to living with the phones.  That said, the HD800 gets most use, and that is with live music, rock and jazz.  No hip hop or rap here, every now and then some jamband electronica. 


Edited by dallan - 6/16/13 at 9:06am
post #3333 of 18747
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Energy is in the recording and only needs bumping up if the source isn't picking it up.  As for gear... I had the HD800 twice before and simply thought it was a lifeless, distant, mess.  So there is something to the whole gear thing.


 when you did have it on those 2 occasions was it with different gear each time? Why did you buy it a 3rd time? i presume you got upgrades and gave it another go. what changed your mind?

post #3334 of 18747
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post


Because he reviewed lot of headphones, and statements here like : "The HD800's are much faster than any dynamic headphone out there".

But this is Mike, he runs a business and his hearing is not "the" reference. Most people here who actually know sound and can critique things hold no regard for his opinions, I'm sorry.

 

But the 940's can definitely be better for the music you've described, because that's your take on it and how you like it.

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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

You can see on the impulse that the hd800 provide better decay, while the srh940 provide better attack, which could result in a different perception of speed.  I've discussed this on the  post, just before you exhibited your nice rig.

I'm sorry but you did not read the impulse response graph correctly. It's in front of our eyes to see, the HD800's recover quicker so I'm bringing back the image for you to double-check

 

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NVM.

 

 


Edited by Pustik - 6/16/13 at 3:33pm
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@dleblanc343

 

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But this is Mike, he runs a business and his hearing is not "the" reference. Most people here who actually know sound and can critique things hold no regard for his opinions, I'm sorry.

It's so easy to disregard opinions that are not the same as yours. I was ready to accept whatever impression from mike. I asked him because he reviewed both the srh940 & hd800.

Also mike discussed a lot about synergy of hd800 with rig , and tried many rig , so I assume he tried a "proper" rig for the hd800.

I could point out to other post , with people that agree that hd800 might not be best for metal,  but you'd disregard them as well.

 

Oh yeah, just found an other review for you, I quote Asr:

 

HD800 was consistently too passive-sounding to really get into metal and give it that needed aggression. I will say simply that the HD800 was boring with metal, and who wants boring metal ?

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/511201/review-beyerdynamic-t1-vs-sennheiser-hd800

 

He used the word aggression, this hit the nails for me.

 

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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

I'm sorry but you did not read the impulse response graph correctly. It's in front of our eyes to see, the HD800's recover quicker so I'm bringing back the image for you to double-check

 

The hd800 recover quicker, where do I have denied this ? But the srh940 attack is better : can't you see the sharp and elevated first peak ?

Anyway, this just correlates what I'm hearing .

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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

@dleblanc343

It's so easy to disregard opinions that are not the same as yours. I was ready to accept whatever impression from mike. I asked him because he reviewed both the srh940 & hd800.
Also mike discussed a lot about synergy of hd800 with rig , and tried many rig , so I assume he tried a "proper" rig for the hd800.
I could point out to other post , with people that agree that hd800 might not be best for metal,  but you'd disregard them as well.

Oh yeah, just found an other review for you, I quote Asr:

HD800 was consistently too passive-sounding to really get into metal and give it that needed aggression. I will say simply that the HD800 was boring with metal, and who wants boring metal ?

http://www.head-fi.org/t/511201/review-beyerdynamic-t1-vs-sennheiser-hd800

He used the word aggression, this hit the nails for me.


The hd800 recover quicker, where do I have denied this ? But the srh940 attack is better : can't you see the sharp and elevated first peak ?
Anyway, this just correlates what I'm hearing .
The most aggressive rig I've ever heard, period, was my Gungnir -> Bryston BHA-1 -> HD800 (balanced). It was so aggressive I had to have a change and went for a more neutral presentation in the X-Sabre and GS-X2. I've heard almost all of the modern Grados, some of the most aggressive headphones out there and they paled in comparison.

Regarding the impulse response, you keep looking at it in a vacuum. Music is hundreds of impulses smashed together constantly, you can't just look at it in a vacuum of one impulse. The rebound difference is very telling of why the HD800 sounds so much cleaner and can adapt to the music being played through it. It can be ultra smooth for jazz/vocal or it can be aggressive for metal/electronica, all because it has a cleaner response. The SRH940 is always-on aggressive. This is probably why it only sounds good with certain genres.

Think of impulse response like a race car accelerating and braking. The HD800 is the car that accelerates right to the tip of the braking zone, slows just enough through the corner to stay stable and hits the gas at the end of braking/cornering zone. The SRH940 guns the gas too deep into the corner getting there faster, but losing control and slipping around, and getting on the gas after the HD800 has already passed them again. That is looking at it in a vacuum of a single impulse. Add 100 cars going through the same corner, you are much more likely to see a ton of wrecks from the SRH940 because it's 'cars' are slipping and sliding everywhere as well as bunching up in the corner from getting there fast and getting out slow. Then you see the HD800 set all driving through cleanly because they are going the proper speeds and maintaining control.

With the SRH940, once you get past the first impulse, into the next and the next, you are already out of control and the loss of control stays with the sound until it stops again. This results in an aggressive harsh muddy sound that is what I've heard from them.
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post


The most aggressive rig I've ever heard, period, was my Gungnir -> Bryston BHA-1 -> HD800 (balanced). It was so aggressive I had to have a change and went for a more neutral presentation in the X-Sabre and GS-X2. I've heard almost all of the modern Grados, some of the most aggressive headphones out there and they paled in comparison.

 

Interesting, although just to clarify things, I'm talking of how it affect perceived speed, not just peaky/harsh treble.

 

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The HD800 is the car that accelerates right to the tip of the braking zone, slows just enough through the corner to stay stable and hits the gas at the end of braking/cornering zone.

Yeah, the hd800 achieve a good control, it's sounds perhaps overall  more natural or accurate. But there would be more excitement with the hd800 ,  if according to your description "the car accelerated more before reaching the tip".

 

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With the SRH940, once you get past the first impulse, into the next and the next, you are already out of control and the loss of control stays with the sound until it stops again. This results in an aggressive harsh muddy sound that is what I've heard from them.

Yes the srh940 are muddier, but there are times I'm willing to trade the  clean sound of hd800 for more excitement. And as someone pointed out , metal is already "dirty", and a layer of muddiness doesn't hurt that much.

 

Ideally I'd have both: clean sound & aggressiveness.

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Actually you mis-read his comment. He said metal doesn't need to be any dirtier. When energetic music is ultra clean, it sounds fast. When it is muddy it sounds hazy and slow.
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

When it is muddy it sounds hazy and slow.

Impact of percussions on srh940 are sharp and strong, it overcomes the layer of muddiness. And the srh940 are only muddy when compared to hd800, they sound cleaner than my hd595.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 6/16/13 at 4:25pm
post #3341 of 18747
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post

 when you did have it on those 2 occasions was it with different gear each time? Why did you buy it a 3rd time?

 

First time was with an AMB 22 and Stello DA220 Mk2, second time Apex Peak and W4S DAC-2 and third time out Burson Soloist and PS Audio PWD2.  Since swapped the Soloist for the GS-X mk2 and yet another climb up the dynamic, bass weight, natural ladder.

 

And I kept buying the HD800 for the same reason we all do... I'm retarded :D  Right now I'm thinking of buying the LCD-3... again /facepalm

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To use a home theater analogy, many people like to watch their TV with the sharpness control turned up - otherwise known as "edge enhancement."

 

Its not accurate (it's actually adding distortion) but it can give the impression of more detail. If someone finds it pleasing, then it's there for them. 

post #3343 of 18747

Metal music is already muddy as it is from shoddy mastering/mixing. I wouldn't think adding more "mud" is going to help at all.

post #3344 of 18747
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Originally Posted by dukeskd View Post

Metal music is already muddy as it is from shoddy mastering/mixing. I wouldn't think adding more "mud" is going to help at all.

True, but I used to like Grado's with rock music. Though I only really listen to older classics. Albums like the first few Led Zep albums should be dirty sounding imo :D HD800's aren't ideal for older recordings like these because they take your focus off the rockn'roll and onto the recording. Plus the stereo separation on those oldies is quite extreme; think of Hendrix's experiments in the studio and the Beatles too. These can actually sound annoying with a headphone as technically sound as the Senns. 

 

This where I'd actually prefer the LCD2's. They are great for older recordings. 

post #3345 of 18747
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

Impact of percussions on srh940 are sharp and strong, it overcomes the layer of muddiness. And the srh940 are only muddy when compared to hd800, they sound cleaner than my hd595.


I have the hd595's and my friend has the shr940's, he has since gotten into speakers and has loaned me the shr940's. they are no way near as clear as the hd595''s IMO. i have not heard the hd800 but i can only imagine that the shr940's pale in comparison to them in every department. I also have to say that i prefer the hd280 pro to the shr940 and have recently got my hands on the shr440 ( a very underrated headphone compared with 840/940) and prefer these also.

 

shure got it right with the 840 and IMO there is no need for the 940 as they do not offer anything more. they actually fall down in some departments. i have been finding them dry and hollow over the last few weeks.

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