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post #3316 of 25537
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

It doesn't matter at all. It's all started when lubug1 stated that even metal is more enjoyable on the hd800, because they are top notch or whatever. And I partially  disagree.

Clearly, Lug knows what he's talking about. tongue_smile.gif

post #3317 of 25537
Perhaps we are talking about a semantic problem. The proper descriptor of the HD800s is that they are more agile than the 940. They start and stop sooner and have a cleaner impulse response. The first peak of the 940 is impressive but the rebound is not good and it continues to be not good until resolution much later than the HD800.

The term speed is derived from the HD800 resolving faster between sounds than other headphones. It has nothing to do with impact like you are describing, or the sensation of music being at a higher tempo which you also seem to be describing.
post #3318 of 25537
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Perhaps we are talking about a semantic problem. The proper descriptor of the HD800s is that they are more agile than the 940. They start and stop sooner and have a cleaner impulse response. The first peak of the 940 is impressive but the rebound is not good and it continues to be not good until resolution much later than the HD800.

The term speed is derived from the HD800 resolving faster between sounds than other headphones. It has nothing to do with impact like you are describing, or the sensation of music being at a higher tempo which you also seem to be describing.

I actually agree on this. I should say that hd800 speed is less reckless. Perhaps that isn't comparable to outright speed. I feel like metal would be grating on a can with an impulse like the 940 though...

Kojaku
Edited by Kojaku - 6/15/13 at 3:16pm
post #3319 of 25537
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Perhaps we are talking about a semantic problem. The proper descriptor of the HD800s is that they are more agile than the 940. [...]
The term speed is derived from the HD800 resolving faster between sounds than other headphones. It has nothing to do with impact like you are describing, or the sensation of music being at a higher tempo which you also seem to be describing.

 

Let's use the word "agile" for the hd800 if you prefer. But music  is also about emotions, and the "sensation of music being at a higher tempo" makes a difference to me. The hd800 let you  "examine" everything, just like if you were looking at a drawing, but it's not always involving.

 

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Originally Posted by Kojaku View Post

 I feel like metal would be grating on a can with an impulse like the 940 though...
 

 

Metal definitely sounds  smoother on the hd800, but there are times the overly crisp / sharp sound of the srh940 suits better the genre.

post #3320 of 25537

The word is aggression or attack.  It's related to control or lack there of not speed.  As for Mike... he doesn't get to try much mid to high level gear aside from the headphones.  So does the 940 do better on a $300 dac/amp combo than the HD800?  Probably ;)

post #3321 of 25537

NVM  -  I read it wrong.basshead.gif


Edited by preproman - 6/15/13 at 5:00pm
post #3322 of 25537
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

The answer to this is

 

 


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post #3323 of 25537
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

So I asked mike from headfonia regarding perceived speed for metal,  or psytrance on hd800 vs srh940.

Here's the answer from mike:

 

940 is definitely better for metal and yes the speed is faster too.

 

I asked this on the Q & A section.

 

http://www.headfonia.com/q-a-2012-2/

 

Sorry , but I'm not hallucinating, and I don't think it's because of my rig wink_face.gif.

This doesn't contradict the fact that the hd800 handles well classical music, imho.

There are only a few headphones that I truly "hate...and sorry, the SRH940s are one of them. They are single A ball at best (more like sandlot) while the HD800s are The Show....no doubt to my ears. But playing the HD800s on a "meh" rig will underwhelm the listener too. Get that right (amp/dac/source) and they will reward you in spades.

 

Way too much treble and bass that is none existent...simply horrible to my ears. The HD800s are the most transparent/clean sounding dynamic headphones out there.

post #3324 of 25537

I've finally acquired amplifier for my hd 800 which was the last piece that I needed. After about 2 month of search I've finally decided to go with solid state amp.

 

Here is my setup FLAC  ->  VLC  ->  Burson DA-160  ->  Rockhopper Beta 22 6-channel  -> HD 800.

 

Humongous difference between my logitech speakers and this setup.

 

Sounds amazing, especially classical, jazz, flamenco guitar. All minor details that i havent heard before now stand out clearly.

 

Tried listening to hip-hop, rnb it sounded poorly. It sounded like it sounds on my speakers, unimpressed.

 

Blu-ray movies sound awesome. Action movies are much more dynamic, sound is at real as it gets.

 

It seems to be popular debate about bass on sennheisers hd 800, with my setup bass is more than enough, actually i want less of bass, yes im serious.

 

First song that ive listened to on my setup was Whitney Houston - I will always love you, I felt like i was in heaven, I listened to it more than 5 times yesterday I couldnt get enough of it.

 

Some inconveniences that i should point out.

 

First, switching from speakers to headphones in computer settings can be tedious,

 

 

I will be adding more impressions as i had my setup for only one day, overall im very happy but now i pick music to listen to when i have my headphones.


Edited by Pustik - 6/28/13 at 8:02pm
post #3325 of 25537
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Get yerself a nice Moon Black Dragon HD800 cable with a Furutech connector. Drew lets you audition them for week or so, but I bet they won't be going back.

They are a great match for the 800s (fuller tight bass, more overall ease at all frequencies). Drew does great work and I have used his cables for years.

+2

post #3326 of 25537
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

It doesn't matter at all. It's all started when lubug1 stated that even metal is more enjoyable on the hd800, because they are top notch or whatever. And I partially  disagree.

Erm don't bring me back into this biggrin.gif  

 

He started it not me! tongue_smile.gif

post #3327 of 25537

On the actual metal part of the argument... HD800 is an awesome metal/punk/alternative can because that quick to stop trait keeps these genres from turning into a wall of sound.  I zero out the treble ridge on them to bring cymbals back in line but otherwise great.  Generally speaking those music types don't need to be any dirtier.

post #3328 of 25537
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Originally Posted by Pustik View Post

I've finally acquired amplifier for my hd 800 which was the last piece that I needed. After about 2 month of search I've finally decided to go with solid state amp.

 

Here is my setup FLAC  ->  VLC  ->  Burson DA-160  ->  Rockhopper Beta 22 6-channel  -> HD 800.

 

Humongous difference between my logitech speakers and this setup.

 

Sounds amazing, especially classical, jazz, flamenco guitar. All minor details that i havent heard before now stand out clearly.

 

Tried listening to hip-hop, rnb it sounded poorly. It sounded like it sounds on my speakers, unimpressed.

 

Blu-ray movies sound awesome. Action movies are much more dynamic, sound is at real as it gets.

 

Few things i do want to point out about this setup. First amp gets hot quickly, after 15-20 min of use its hot, not sure if thats ok never owned amplifier before.

 

Second, it seems to be popular debate about bass on sennheisers hd 800, with my setup bass is more than enough, actually i want less of bass, yes im serious.

 

First song that ive listened to on my setup was Whitney Houston - I will always love you, I felt like i was in heaven, I listened to it more than 5 times yesterday I couldnt get enough of it.

 

Some inconveniences that i should point out.

 

First, switching from speakers to headphones in computer settings can be tedious,

 

 

I will be adding more impressions as i had my setup for only one day, overall im very happy but now i pick music to listen to when i have my headphones.

 

 

First thing you might want to start working with is a dedicated music player like Foobar (http://www.foobar2000.org/) this is free or J. River (http://jriver.com/) this has a free trial.  This is if your using a PC, there's others if your using a MAC.  

 

Leave VLC or video playback if possible.

post #3329 of 25537
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

The word is aggression or attack.  It's related to control or lack there of not speed. 

Yeah, I'd like more "aggression or attack" on hd800,  when I  keep the sound of srh940 in mind.  I'm not surprised that you are accusing the rig once again. With genre like classical I'm not missing this.

 

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

There are only a few headphones that I truly "hate...and sorry, the SRH940s are one of them.[...]  Way too much treble and bass that is none existent...simply horrible to my ears.

This was my original impression but it evolved with time:  they are just quite sensitive to positioning. And other considerations, I'll skip here.

 

Edit, regarding metal:

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@Solude

Generally speaking those music types don't need to be any dirtier.

Cleaner is enjoyable, but energy matters too.

 

And finally:  I'm not saying the hd800 are bad for metal (it's still interesting to listen, with hd800 qualities) , they just wouldn't be my primary choice.


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 6/16/13 at 5:48am
post #3330 of 25537

Energy is in the recording and only needs bumping up if the source isn't picking it up.  As for gear... I had the HD800 twice before and simply thought it was a lifeless, distant, mess.  So there is something to the whole gear thing.

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