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post #2716 of 12321

***** Separate Linear Power Supplies*****

 

Call me crazy but - I try to put one on everything.  I have two on my PC.  One for the PC and one for the SOtM USB card (This card gets no power from the mobo).  I have one on my USB converter.  I also like separate PSUs for my amps.  Hell, I would like it if DACs offer that as well.  You can add one to that ExaSound E20 if you want.  


Edited by preproman - 5/16/13 at 3:35am
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Regarding the usb/optical or spdif converter business. If you have optical output on your computer then happy days. But it also depends how powerful your computer is as to how it copes with delivering the data. And there may well be no discernible differences at all using these two methods. As far as USB or using an spdif converter goes, I hear a big (as far as audiophile terms go) difference. But not in a change of the frequencies. By that I mean you aren't going to get deeper bass or brighter treble, because if its not there in the first place... What I do notice, is no jitter. This can sound as big as clicks, pops when the computer is doing lots of tasks. Or as little as congestion in complex passages. If all of the re-clocking is done outside of the computer then there is no fear of it being disrupted by Internet etc. Also, adding another component into the chain for this purpose is fine because data hasn't reached the dac yet. Adding components after the dac is where the sound will begin to degrade. 

 

 

Yes. I'm an expert at sounding like I'm an expert tongue.gif

 

 

Oh, and none of the above will matter if you aren't using a headphone as good as the HD800's :D 

post #2718 of 12321
Originally Posted by MickeyVee View Post

Here's the thread on the Uber Upgrade. I did the upgrade last night and the difference was immediately noticeable.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/661444/schiit-bifrost-uber-analog-upgrade

I cant specifically talk to the HD800... yet... but with the HE-500 the bass tightened up, better extension across the spectrum and smoother mids and highs with less grain. I'm suspecting that I'm getting more detail also but it's hard to tell. It seems a little brighter but that may be due to the upper end extension/detail. Need to spend some more time with it.

I didn't do the Gen2 USB upgrade. I do have both USB and optical hooked up with my MacMini but it's really hard to tell the difference. Maybe when I get the HD800...

Hope this helps, M

 

Thank you.. glad to see the uber upgrade made a distinguishable difference for you.  Looking forward to seeing how you like it when the HD800 arrives.  If you've had some experience with other DACs, some general performance comparisons of them vs the Bifrost-Uber would be appreciated, too.


Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I think a well designed input, whether USB, Coax, or Optical will sound equally good. I personally would rather use the input I have rather than use a converter in the chain.

 

Agreed.  I'd rather just go with USB for the sake of simplicity (and lack of clutter).. if the implementation was solid.


Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

Funny because you have soo many people who claim toslink is completely flawed or that USB isn't good enough without a converter.

 

Personally, I've heard optical and USB sound no different. That's from a Bifrost, Gungnir, M51 and PWD MKII.

 

Personally, I've never had a problem with toslink or coax (as far as finding one 'flawed' vs the other).  Most of the USB implementations I've heard (admittedly, in "mid-fi" territory) have been good as far as reliability, but in a few cases, I've found coax/optical to sound noticeably better (the Leckerton UHA-6S MKII being one of the best examples).  The TubeDAC-11 is antoehr that seems to have a marginally better coax/optical input vs the USB.  I never found the USB inputs on these devices to be substandard or performing poorly, just that the coax/optical inputs yielded slightly better sound.  I'm using the Izmo M1 as a DDC (project86 reviewed it for IF and said it compared quite favorably to the Stello U3) with the V800.  The V800's usb input is great.. but it's optical sounds a bit more spacious and clear.


Edited by FlySweep - 5/16/13 at 1:12am
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I never heard the V800s USB.  However, I think it's adaptive oppose to asynchronous.  Not saying it's not good.  Just saying it's a little older technology.  

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I own the V800 and an Anedio U2. I believe there is an improvement using the U2, although I haven't blind tested it, mostly in terms of dynamic, spatial clues, perhaps "fluidity" (think in terms of liquid / grainy). It doesn't seem massive, but at this level little improvements add up to make for fairly important ones.

As an illustration of the difference, let's say that direct to USB I prefer my DA11 to the V800, but with both connected via the Anedio I prefer the V800.

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Have a hard time believing Solude about locking on optical at 24/96. My Bifrost and Gungnir never had a problem even with my onboard spdif.

 

Onboard is what I use right now.  It was the EMU 1212m PCI and X-Fi Titanium PCIe that wouldn't lock at 24/96.  I thought I had a dud cable until I tried the onboard.  That same EMU could connect to the Metrum and W4S though.  It could be that the PWD2 has a tighter spec for input.

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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

A bit off topic but I just read and old post on the LCD3 thread from our good poster Solude: "Conversely there isn't an amp on the planet that would make me an HD800 fan wink.gif"

 

The bigger joke is that trying the HD800 a third time only happened because the price was about to jump.  My inner voice said don't bother, Jan said don't bother, my wife... well she always says no :P  On the B22/Stello... crap, W4S/Peak... crap, PWD2/Soloist|GS-X mk2... bloody awesome!

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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

+1...I am confused by the impressions finding these big differences.

 

Aren't you a head-fi savant? Isn't it normal to notice immediate differences even days or weeks later without A/B? We are special people. biggrin.gif

biggrin.gif  Yes.....Then I wake up!

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Originally Posted by gords View Post

Hypothetically speaking, do you think it's realistic that Sennheiser will release the hd800 successor within the next 2-3 years or would it be longer?

 

I imagine they will keep producing the HD800 well past 2 to 3 years from now. There's still such a high demand and profit to be made from the HD800. The HD650 was their previous flagship and they still continue to produce it, and it came out around 10 years ago. There were rumors of Sennheiser creating another electrostatic headphone, to compete with the likes of Stax, but I haven't heard very much about it. Surely Sennheiser will eventually come out with something to out-do the HD800. With competition from Audez'e, Stax, HifiMan and others to create super top of the line headphones it's now apart of the business.

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The HD800 has only been out for 4.5 years or so. The HD650 and HD800 was 6 years apart or so afaik so there probably won't be anything from Sennheiser soon.

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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

 

The bigger joke is that trying the HD800 a third time only happened because the price was about to jump.  My inner voice said don't bother, Jan said don't bother, my wife... well she always says no :P  On the B22/Stello... crap, W4S/Peak... crap, PWD2/Soloist|GS-X mk2... bloody awesome!

I was lucky to have had the DNA Sonett the first time I heard the HD800. It was love at first listen. that goes to show, the hd 800 sound pretty good on much much less expensive gear as well. I have recently rediscovered (in a sense) my Dliii->DNA Sonett for HD800 when I brought it home from the office, put it in my bedroom and started doing critical listening while (trying to) falling asleep with lights off. What a nice set up to be had. The Sonett is def a jam for the price.  

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Any soloist + hd800 users here? If so whats your opinion?

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Best combo under $1000 I've heard.  Actually one of only two amps I like the HD800 with.

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Originally Posted by OICWUTUDIDTHAR View Post

Any soloist + hd800 users here? If so whats your opinion?

 

I am still impressed every day since the day I got my HD800s  (w. Conductor). Whenever you hear *any* real instruments on a good recording, it's showstopping.


Edited by negura - 5/16/13 at 5:24pm
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Soloist SL and HD800 sound amazing together. It's much better than the Lyr.
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