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Here's the thread on the Uber Upgrade. I did the upgrade last night and the difference was immediately noticeable.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/661444/schiit-bifrost-uber-analog-upgrade

I cant specifically talk to the HD800... yet... but with the HE-500 the bass tightened up, better extension across the spectrum and smoother mids and highs with less grain. I'm suspecting that I'm getting more detail also but it's hard to tell. It seems a little brighter but that may be due to the upper end extension/detail. Need to spend some more time with it.

I didn't do the Gen2 USB upgrade. I do have both USB and optical hooked up with my MacMini but it's really hard to tell the difference. Maybe when I get the HD800...

Hope this helps, M

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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post

Can anyone comment on how the Bifrost w/ the "Uber Analog" upgrade sounds with the HD800?  I'd plan on using the Bifrost's optical input so I'm not as concerned with the "USB Gen 2" upgrade (though impressions there are certainly welcome).


Edited by MickeyVee - 5/15/13 at 5:55pm
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Sorry mean the digital input (toslink/coax/usb) not the USB card itself.  I also run toslink because with very few exceptions electric connections to the PC are noisy.

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I think a well designed input, whether USB, Coax, or Optical will sound equally good. I personally would rather use the input I have rather than use a converter in the chain.
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Funny because you have soo many people who claim toslink is completely flawed or that USB isn't good enough without a converter.

 

Personally, I've heard optical and USB sound no different. That's from a Bifrost, Gungnir, M51 and PWD MKII.


Edited by paradoxper - 5/15/13 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

Funny because you have soo many people who claim toslink is completely flawed or that USB isn't good enough without a converter.

 

Personally, I've heard optical and USB sound no different. That's from a Bifrost, Gungnir, M51 and PWD MKII.

 

I agree with this, sound wise I hear no different. The only thing I notice is with USB you can hear computer noise at very high volumes. (from hard drives, graphics cards and other USB devices.)

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There is some truth to that.  Toslink at 24/96 is approaching failure.  In fact I have some 'prosumer' cards that the PWD2 can't lock on to at 24/96.  Others are fine.  USB is an implementation thing.  Many manufacturers, PWD2 included, use great chips, great clocks, solid drivers... and then go full retard and forget to isolate it or cut the power feed entirely.  Which inserts among other things... ground loops.  You'd be really hard pressed to hear them on full sized headphones or low gain but plug in an IEM, crank it up and yep... background hum.  You go toslink and poof dead silence.  I think that's where the love for external boxes comes from.  They tend, note tend, to be more well thought out and not just a throw in.  Now the good news for me is the PWD2 literally throws out the incoming signal timing and reclocks it so the higher jitter on the toslink doesn't really matter.  Certainly not enough to go back to the USB that I know has a background ground loop hum ;)

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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

There is some truth to that.  Toslink at 24/96 is approaching failure.  In fact I have some 'prosumer' cards that the PWD2 can't lock on to at 24/96.  Others are fine.  USB is an implementation thing.  Many manufacturers, PWD2 included, use great chips, great clocks, solid drivers... and then go full retard and forget to isolate it or cut the power feed entirely.  Which inserts among other things... ground loops.  You'd be really hard pressed to hear them on full sized headphones or low gain but plug in an IEM, crank it up and yep... background hum.  You go toslink and poof dead silence.  I think that's where the love for external boxes comes from.  They tend, note tend, to be more well thought out and not just a throw in.  Now the good news for me is the PWD2 literally throws out the incoming signal timing and reclocks it so the higher jitter on the toslink doesn't really matter.  Certainly not enough to go back to the USB that I know has a background ground loop hum ;)

 

Ditto. Supposedly the Burson Conductor has the USB power cut-off and still gets obliterated by a good interface. Heck even some peanuts cheap stuff like IFI IUSB made a difference... More companies should figure out by now that if they can't get it right, maybe they should just license technology from the likes of Audiophilleo, M2Tech etc... Some like Naim and some others have already done just that. Pity the rest of their product still has some catch-up to do.

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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

Funny because you have soo many people who claim toslink is completely flawed or that USB isn't good enough without a converter.

 

Personally, I've heard optical and USB sound no different. That's from a Bifrost, Gungnir, M51 and PWD MKII.

I've also had people who tell me optical is the best :P I think before when usb was still a new thing for audio there was some superiority but now if done correctly it can be hard if not impossible to tell the difference.

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Have a hard time believing Solude about locking on optical at 24/96. My Bifrost and Gungnir never had a problem even with my onboard spdif.
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More impressions of the bifrost uber with the HD800 would be nice. I won't bite until I know it won't be brighter.
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

Funny because you have soo many people who claim toslink is completely flawed or that USB isn't good enough without a converter.

 

Personally, I've heard optical and USB sound no different. That's from a Bifrost, Gungnir, M51 and PWD MKII.

+1...I am confused by the impressions finding these big differences.

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A bit off topic but I just read and old post on the LCD3 thread from our good poster Solude: "Conversely there isn't an amp on the planet that would make me an HD800 fan wink.gif"

Boy can oneself trick their own mind sometimes! I remember when I got my LCD3, I was stunned that it underwhelmed me vs my HE6 and HD800.

It's safe to say that once your system is configured, the HD800's are the non-Stax headphone to beat
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

A bit off topic but I just read and old post on the LCD3 thread from our good poster Solude: "Conversely there isn't an amp on the planet that would make me an HD800 fan wink.gif"

Boy can oneself trick their own mind sometimes! I remember when I got my LCD3, I was stunned that it underwhelmed me vs my HE6 and HD800.

It's safe to say that once your system is configured, the HD800's are the non-Stax headphone to beat

+1 to that!

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Hypothetically speaking, do you think it's realistic that Sennheiser will release the hd800 successor within the next 2-3 years or would it be longer?
Edited by gords - 5/15/13 at 9:28pm
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

+1...I am confused by the impressions finding these big differences.

 

Aren't you a head-fi savant? Isn't it normal to notice immediate differences even days or weeks later without A/B? We are special people. biggrin.gif

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