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post #2626 of 19885
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

Then why did you say that your b22 stomps the Phonitor in response to my post where I said to the other user the "assuming the Auditor has the same guts as the Phonitor, it is easily one of the best combos right there for the HD800". Not to mention we are discussing about amp recommendations for the HD800's,

 

Because, while I prefer the GS-X mkII with my HD800s - I also prefer the B22 over the Phonitor with the HD800s - That's why,,

 

Again, I never said anything about night and day differences.  However, every small and subtle difference that you can achieve will add up to an overall greater improvement.  

 

Again our experiences and hearing are not the same at all.  I find the B22 to be colored and tilted to being on the warm side of neutral and not being that great with dark/warm headphones and being better sounding with bright headphones. 

 

I feel as much satisfied using such words as you do when you rely on others findings to justify yours.


Edited by preproman - 5/13/13 at 3:13pm
post #2627 of 19885
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Electrically the B22 is best suited to resistive low impedance cans, ie orthos.  It doesn't like seeing the HD800 as a load and consequently doesn't sound as good as non MOSFET output SS amps.  Personally feel the B22 is bested by a handful of lesser SS amps when talking high impedance high inductance cans.

 

Funny how the B22 is the best amp for my T1s.  Even better that the GS-X mkII..

post #2628 of 19885
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

Because, while I prefer the GS-X mkII with my HD800s - I also prefer the B22 over the Phonitor with the HD800s - That's why,,

 

Again, I never said anything about night and day differences.  However, every small and subtle difference that you can achieve will add up to an overall greater improvement.  

 

Again our experiences and hearing are not the same at all.  I find the B22 to be colored and tilted to being on the warm side of neutral and not being that great with dark/warm headphones and being better sounding with bright headphones. 

 

I feel as much satisfied using such words as you do when you rely on others findings to justify yours.

Oh that's right because you said "your b22 stomps the Phonitor". rolleyes.gif It must be some small differences there for use of such a hyperbole.

 

Ok then how do I rely on other peoples findings to justify mine? Please explain this to me. What I write is based on things I've heard, touched and owned. I get straight to the point, if I think a FOTM headphone or amp is crap I'm not afraid to say it is crap or otherwise, I state my opinion straight up fair and square to the point I'm making rather what most users here do is huddle and cuddle on a brand bandwagon too scared to say bad things about a particular amp/dac/headphone. This turns reviews into most reviews 6moon's have (which I do read now and then for the shiggles). So please don't say stuff such "oh you can't justify x product findings because you haven't heard it properly or you need to rely on other peoples to come to a conclusion yourself for said product", you obviously don't know anything about me nor my findings.

 

The moment you came in with that post "ah, my b22 stomps the Phonitor" I knew you were trying to start a fire against me because we've had a similar argument/discussion before in the LCD2 appreciation thread, well the fire is lit and it ain't going to go out between you and me, oh maybe when you post something about the b22, I should barge in and say "the Phonitor stomps the b22". rolleyes.gif

post #2629 of 19885

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post #2630 of 19885

LMAOL3000.gifThe HD800 really rocks and it is very good on the new HDVD800

post #2631 of 19885

Phonitor + HD800 = amazing.

post #2632 of 19885

Well, well, well... my Picard 0032200-08 (high class workmanship from Germany) stomps all of your amps... very very very easily!

 

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post #2633 of 19885
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Originally Posted by dukeskd View Post

Phonitor + HD800 = amazing.

It is isn't it. Certainly not the best out there obviously, but the synergy between the two is really good. A bigger advantage with the Phonitor of having possibly the best built-in crossfeed system if needed. Project86 did a review on the Auditor which retails for $999 but sells for average $650-750 on ebay and other outlets and he did mention the guts are identical minus the crossfeed + vu meters of the Phonitor, if actually true than for the price the Auditor + HD800 is a very very very good start. And I don't usually highly praise products here. 

post #2634 of 19885
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

It's not just a source you will need for the HD800's, a new amp and source would be needed to get the HD800's to sound good. The Crack is just ok with the HD800's but awesome with the HD650. That said two headphones, two different sound signatures, don't listen to the credits that come from this thread for the HD800's, listen to them yourself and decide which is best that you like.

 

Thanks for the input. I have auditioned them before, but unfortunately not with my current setup and I don't have a line on a pair anymore to test out in my rig :(

 

I've heard decent experiences about the HD800 hooked up to the Crack and that the next step up as far as tube amps go would be a Decware, which is unfortunately more than I'm willing to spend at the moment for an amp. I feel I'd get more for my money by putting it towards a different headphone instead.

 

I like the HD650 for its full and romantic sound, but I realized that every upgrade I was considering for it was to try to get it closer to the HD800 sound I liked when I heard it. I guess I just wanted a change of pace. Instead of dropping $300 on a cable, an extra $500+ on a DAC to try to get closer to the HD800 sound I liked, it makes more sense for the $800+ to just go towards getting the darn headphones. Plus, I'll still have the HD650 to go back to when I want that romantic sound again.

post #2635 of 19885

Get the HD800's and slowly upgrade from there. Keep the HD650 as a complementary setup. Both are different sounding and both have its advantages and disadvantages but the HD800's win all out hands down if run through a good amp and source setup. Or maybe you can try the HD800's on your Crack and see if you like it, you never know, my ears are not yours.

post #2636 of 19885
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Originally Posted by Nordwestlicht View Post

Well, well, well... my Picard 0032200-08 (high class workmanship from Germany) stomps all of your amps... very very very easily!

 

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Just keep it away from my amps, and we're cool.

post #2637 of 19885

Alright - the HD800s are such a beast. In a great way.

 

A while ago I've built myself a badass copper cable with high-end wires, soldering and good connectors and I think I am right now clocking 150-200 hours on it. I swear it's transformed from when I first listened to it. It adds strong body, bass presence, musicality and a hint of warmth to my HD800s. The treble is still really well extended but actually my HD800s are now less sibilant prone than the LCD-3s. The latter is with silver cables.

 

Recently I've added an interface (AP2+IFI IUSB) to my upstream and that's also added another couple of notches of flow, detail, smoothness, musicality and extension. 

 

The slam and the energy are still surprising me, it's the N-th time the last couple of days and I am still getting surprised by it.

 

I keep getting amazed how much the HD800s scale when fed the proper sauce. If anyone tells me again the HD800s sound thin, lack bass, too sibilant, I could laugh, but I will say ... please have patience and build a system around them and you will be GREATLY rewarded.


Edited by negura - 5/13/13 at 5:13pm
post #2638 of 19885
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Originally Posted by EraserXIV View Post

 

Thanks for the input. I have auditioned them before, but unfortunately not with my current setup and I don't have a line on a pair anymore to test out in my rig :(

 

I've heard decent experiences about the HD800 hooked up to the Crack and that the next step up as far as tube amps go would be a Decware, which is unfortunately more than I'm willing to spend at the moment for an amp. I feel I'd get more for my money by putting it towards a different headphone instead.

 

I like the HD650 for its full and romantic sound, but I realized that every upgrade I was considering for it was to try to get it closer to the HD800 sound I liked when I heard it. I guess I just wanted a change of pace. Instead of dropping $300 on a cable, an extra $500+ on a DAC to try to get closer to the HD800 sound I liked, it makes more sense for the $800+ to just go towards getting the darn headphones. Plus, I'll still have the HD650 to go back to when I want that romantic sound again.

Skip the cable unless you want balanced. You can get a stock cable reterminated for cheap if that's the reason. Spending it all on the DAC would be a better idea. At $800 you can get some pretty good DACs esp if you buy used.

post #2639 of 19885
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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

Skip the cable unless you want balanced. You can get a stock cable reterminated for cheap if that's the reason. Spending it all on the DAC would be a better idea. At $800 you can get some pretty good DACs esp if you buy used.

 

Yeah that's the plan, the remaining money is going towards a DAC. The HD800 cable is a nice departure from the paltry offering that came with the HD6X0, at least as far as stock cables are concerned. Also, with the DAC scene in such flux nowadays (with the resurgence of DSD, better USB implementations not requiring a transport, etc), I think I'm better off waiting and seeing what's still standing after all the dust settles.

post #2640 of 19885
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post


Time marches on I suppose. Yesterdays flagship is todays skiff, huh?

I also have a DAC1 and find the amp and DAC to both be top notch with the HD800.

I did recently pick up a lovely Pioneer Elite DV-79AVi off Craigslist for a song. Its not of the caliber of your Sony, but it does have that lovely lush analog sound or when Im in the mood for that sort of thing.

Indeed technology moves at a fast pace specially the digital processing section. However, reading on the internet and other forums the XA7ES´s transport and power section is still State of the Art by todays highest standards.  I bought this unit new and moved on to SACD and had it gathering dust for years. I took the top off for a look inside and was amazed at how much copper it

has inside the case for RF isolation. Its close to 30lbs!

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