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Originally Posted by xphynance View Post

I am a newcommer and considering upgrading my current Nuforce HDP / HD650 combo, but where should start with? should I get a better cans first, or amp first or dac?

I can do only one upgrade at a time now due to limited funding, but it is hard to decide which should come first?

or I should save longer and upgrade them all at a time?

 

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Listen to the cans first, and see if you are interested to buy them.

Otherwise I would upgrade the can first, as it's still the weakest element of the audio chain.

 

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You should definitely start with your headphone first... I would keep your HDP and get HD800.

 

Then, you will see whether you find the sound to be too bright, or not. If yes, you should upgrade your amp section first (and keep HDP as a DAC). If not, you can enjoy both together until you want to upgrade :-)


I strongly recommend you don't do this. I found the HDP/HD800 not to be a good combination at all, way too bright, harsh and fatiguing to listen to. You'd be much better off sticking with your current combination or upgrading the DAC/amp to something better - the HD6xx series are fine headphones that scale well, though personally I prefer the HD600 of the two, providing it's amped well - it can be quite a relevation with the right partnering equipment. I like the HD800 even more, but it can sound terrible with the wrong gear. Combining it with the HDP would be a complete waste of your money IMO.


Edited by Painterspal - 4/20/13 at 1:44am
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I am interested on Metrum for a long time, partly because of the looks, but I've been hearing bass and hf frequency roll off. What is your impression?

 

No, just no.  The Meturm has no rolloff.  Where the Metrum and PWD2 really smoked the W4S was in top extension and tonal balance.  The W4S is a dark source dry source, the Metrum has great tonal balance and the PWD2 keeps that balance but is also butter smooth.  Which might be what MH feels is an overriding colour where I just hear it as completely etch free, the so called analog sound.  And yes it is a monster =)

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I am interested on Metrum for a long time, partly because of the looks, but I've been hearing bass and hf frequency roll off. What is your impression?

 

The Metrum is one of the least colored and most neutral DAC's I've heard to date. It is not a dark sounding DAC, but neither is it a bright sounding one. It has exceptional transparency but may sound dry (especially if you're already using a headphone like the HD800), so I like to warm it up and give it some more body in bass by pairing it with April Music's Stello U3. IMO, most April Music gears I've listened to tend to sound somewhat dark, which is why I like them.

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Hey everyone,

 

Does anyone know whether the NFB 11.32 is an adequate amp/dac for the HD 800? Anyone used the NFB 11.32 with the HD 800 before?

 

Thanks.

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Hey everyone,

 

Does anyone know whether the NFB 11.32 is an adequate amp/dac for the HD 800? Anyone used the NFB 11.32 with the HD 800 before?

 

Thanks.

The Audio gd line tend to have a tilt towards warmth and musicality rather than being analytical and dry. My C2.2 amp is a fine match with the HD800's. Large soundstage and no hardness in the treble. I say go for it :)

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The Audio gd line tend to have a tilt towards warmth and musicality rather than being analytical and dry. My C2.2 amp is a fine match with the HD800's. Large soundstage and no hardness in the treble. I say go for it :)

Hey LugBug1,

 

Thanks. That's good to hear.

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No, just no.  The Meturm has no rolloff.  Where the Metrum and PWD2 really smoked the W4S was in top extension and tonal balance.  The W4S is a dark source dry source, the Metrum has great tonal balance and the PWD2 keeps that balance but is also butter smooth.  Which might be what MH feels is an overriding colour where I just hear it as completely etch free, the so called analog sound.  And yes it is a monster =)

Not do much as smooth, but warmish/sweet. Inviting for sure, but not as transparent (and Fwiw, I found the pwd2 a bit darker and a whole lot bigger physically too). smily_headphones1.gif

EDIT: I don't think I've ever heard a dark ES9018 based DAC as dark.
Edited by MacedonianHero - 4/20/13 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

No, just no.  The Meturm has no rolloff.  Where the Metrum and PWD2 really smoked the W4S was in top extension and tonal balance.  The W4S is a dark source dry source, the Metrum has great tonal balance and the PWD2 keeps that balance but is also butter smooth.  Which might be what MH feels is an overriding colour where I just hear it as completely etch free, the so called analog sound.  And yes it is a monster =)

Not do much as smooth, but warmish/sweet. Inviting for sure, but not as transparent (and Fwiw, I found the pwd2 a bit darker and a whole lot bigger physically too). smily_headphones1.gif

EDIT: I don't think I've ever heard a dark ES9018 based DAC as dark.

+1...But that is why there are lots of choices. We all hear WHAT we hear...biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

 

No, just no.  The Meturm has no rolloff.  Where the Metrum and PWD2 really smoked the W4S was in top extension and tonal balance.  The W4S is a dark source dry source, the Metrum has great tonal balance and the PWD2 keeps that balance but is also butter smooth.  Which might be what MH feels is an overriding colour where I just hear it as completely etch free, the so called analog sound.  And yes it is a monster =)

 

I agree.

 

2.2.0 has excellent tonal balance, it's very resolving, I hear no color in this version.  It has lots of body and very good PRat.  Very energetic and detailed while being very musical.

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I'm not sure what people means by "hardness" on the treble.

I wouldn't mind if the treble of hd800 sounded sharper actually.

Although I got some sibilance in particular recordings (any mylene farmer fan ?)


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 4/20/13 at 11:07am
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I'm not sure what people means by "hardness" on the treble.

I wouldn't have mind if the treble of hd800 sounded sharper actually.

Although I got some sibilance in particular recordings (any mylene farmer fan ?)

 

Just like there is sample variance with any gear, the same is with our ears. :) Sharper treble on HD800 is a big a no no to me, as I think it's borderline sharp as is already, depending on the recording etc..


Edited by negura - 4/20/13 at 10:49am
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

I'm not sure what people means by "hardness" on the treble.

I wouldn't have mind if the treble of hd800 sounded sharper actually.

Although I got some sibilance in particular recordings (any mylene farmer fan ?)

Yeah there'll only be hardness depending on the source. Also I wouldn't say hardness is related to sharpness in describing treble. I think a treble can be very sweet and easy on the ears and at the same time very sharp, in the context of resolution. Smearing of the sound can cause a lack of sharpness. This can be caused by distortion and could be attributed with cheap tube amps for example. Or dull sounding dacs. 

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http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bda-2-digital-to-analog-converter/?utm_campaign=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=email-105

 

My buddy and I did a shoot out between his BDA-1 and the DAC-2. Long story short, he know owns the DAC-2. But the biggest difference was with USB inputs and the BDA-1 lacked asyncronous USB...but it appears that this has been rectified on the BDA-2. 

The BDA-2 is quite nice, and definitely a step over the gungnir. My next upgrade is either the NAD M51 or the Bryston BDA-2. Unfortunately I don't own the BHA-1 anymore, so the BDA-2 won't have much striking appeal blink.gif. I also think the m51 is a better buy albeit my small Bryston preference as a brand. Anyways, they're both Canadian evil_smiley.gif.

 

I'll need to compare them properly head-to-head in the next weeks at work, and not only with headphones. I'm trying to convince myself to wait for the Schiit statement, but it's not so easy.

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 I also think the m51 is a better buy albeit my small Bryston preference as a brand. Anyways, they're both Canadian evil_smiley.gif.

 

Learn something everyday... was about to say NAD was British but wiki says that hasn't been true since 99 which is after I had an interest in NAD ;)

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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

The BDA-2 is quite nice, and definitely a step over the gungnir. My next upgrade is either the NAD M51 or the Bryston BDA-2. Unfortunately I don't own the BHA-1 anymore, so the BDA-2 won't have much striking appeal blink.gif. I also think the m51 is a better buy albeit my small Bryston preference as a brand. Anyways, they're both Canadian evil_smiley.gif.

 

I'll need to compare them properly head-to-head in the next weeks at work, and not only with headphones. I'm trying to convince myself to wait for the Schiit statement, but it's not so easy.

 

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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

 

Learn something everyday... was about to say NAD was British but wiki says that hasn't been true since 99 which is after I had an interest in NAD ;)

 

I'm tempted by the BDA-2, but I'll hold out to hear the M51. Heard the BDA-2 today...went downtown and got to hear it on a pair of Totem Forests. Very impressive DAC! The BDA-1 was great, but a step behind the BDA-2 and even my W4S DAC-2.

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