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post #18421 of 25857
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Originally Posted by pearljam50000 View Post

Can you compare their sound?

Not sure if this was in regards to my post or not but with limited HD 800 head time I will make a quick comparison just from memory.
Subject to change after more time with the headphones
HD 650 has slightly more bass, smoother sound, and less fatiguing in the treble. I'd say the HD 800 has good bass, more neutral sound, more transparent sound, treble can be fatiguing on certain songs ( Jackson 5 abc = very sharp and almost to a point where I can't listen to it on the 800's). Maybe it's the music I listen to or maybe my setup but I don't hear this incredible soundstage that everyone speaks of. It's def more spacious then the 650 but not by the near $900 cost difference.

Obviously these are opinions based upon a couple of hours of listening with both headphones, also with comfort issues with both headphones. HD 800 is very loose fitting almost to a point where the headphone doesn't feel secure and the 650 is too tight on the jaw (helped a lot with some stretching much more comfortable now)
post #18422 of 25857

@inseconds99 : what's your current setup ?  both HD650 and HD800 need a good (not necessary expensive though) amp to shine. 

post #18423 of 25857
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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post
 

@inseconds99 : what's your current setup ?  both HD650 and HD800 need a good (not necessary expensive though) amp to shine. 

X7 High Gain, Direct Mode to the headphone. Back-story, I was looking for a high end headphone solution that first and foremost has all day comfort. Next, they will be used for tons of different applications from music to gaming, movie watching and general YouTube usage. I wanted something more end game for that category as these headphones will get a ton of usage.

 

I am trying to get used to the sound of both headphones with my current setup before I upgrade to a Valhalla 2 or an M-stage. I want to appreciate the difference between my 2 setups.

 

Although at this point I am not 100% sure I will keep the 800's. I can already tell that the 650's won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

post #18424 of 25857

The HD650 is really a great headphone ;) 

post #18425 of 25857
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Originally Posted by inseconds99 View Post

I am struggling with a decision as I do love the HD800 and have gotten over some comfort issues in the last few days. The struggle I'm having is I recently got a pair of HD 650's for around $250 from Amazon. I have a few times this week picked and used those cans up before my 800's. This has caused an internal struggle with the question " are the HD 890 really $900 better then the HD 650?"... I still have plenty of time to make a decision before the return policy expires. I love the 800's and have always wanted them, I wish I had never purchased those 650's as besides those cans I had nothing that would make me think twice.

I was thinking something pretty similar to that last night

I find they do have a better soundstage than others especially when compared together. And on openness and a great detailed sound (it's all coming back to me as I type this).

However I'm thinking that as stand alone headphones (that is not to compare them directly side by side) headphones like the 650s are good headphones and great value.

The hd650s sound like they would suit you very well for your intended use.

BUT I'm thinking the hd800s will stretch out ahead on sound as you improve your amp and/or dac.

Yes, call me captain obvious.

Perhaps you should have a listen to a few potential amps soon and then see if that would make the hd800s worth hanging on to for when it's time for that extra expenditure. And take the hd650s with you.

You may find that the hd650s as they are are where you want to stay and there might not be enough value in what you paid for the 800s plus the upgrades.

I bought the hd800s to build my system around them.
And I'm off to test out some amps in a few hours.

But hey if the hd650s at $250 suit, that's pretty bloody good.
post #18426 of 25857
I am a recent owner of the HD800, and I think the qualities that people speak of in the HD800 come with some time spent letting your brain adjust to its sound signature. I came from the HD600 and the transition wasn't easy - a laid back, smooth, mid centric signature to the forward, articulate, and v-shaped sound from the HD800s. I found it very fatiguing and for a short while I regretted making the upgrade. But it's been a few weeks now and I've had time to adjust to the sound - and no regrets anymore. They sound amazing.

Give it some time. Things like soundstage, frequency response, etc are not always apparent at the start - especially since our minds are interpreting this with respect to whatever we were listening to before (or so I believe). Try to adapt to the sound, give it a few weeks. or else you might be missing out on what may actually be really good sound. smily_headphones1.gif
post #18427 of 25857
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Originally Posted by christrz View Post

I am a recent owner of the HD800, and I think the qualities that people speak of in the HD800 come with some time spent letting your brain adjust to its sound signature. I came from the HD600 and the transition wasn't easy - a laid back, smooth, mid centric signature to the forward, articulate, and v-shaped sound from the HD800s. I found it very fatiguing and for a short while I regretted making the upgrade. But it's been a few weeks now and I've had time to adjust to the sound - and no regrets anymore. They sound amazing.

Give it some time. Things like soundstage, frequency response, etc are not always apparent at the start - especially since our minds are interpreting this with respect to whatever we were listening to before (or so I believe). Try to adapt to the sound, give it a few weeks. or else you might be missing out on what may actually be really good sound. smily_headphones1.gif

You're the first I've heard calling the HD800 v-shapped sound signature.

post #18428 of 25857
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Originally Posted by Mach3 View Post

You're the first I've heard calling the HD800 v-shapped sound signature.

Haha make of it what you will - but those were my thoughts when coming from the HD600. I believe - as I stated above - that the sound we come from affects the way we perceive new sounds. I certainly don't find them v-shaped when listening to them now.

This is besides the intent of the post though smily_headphones1.gif
post #18429 of 25857
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Originally Posted by christrz View Post


Haha make of it what you will - but those were my thoughts when coming from the HD600. I believe - as I stated above - that the sound we come from affects the way we perceive new sounds. I certainly don't find them v-shaped when listening to them now.

This is besides the intent of the post though smily_headphones1.gif

 

No pun intended, just seem odd your initial reaction to one of the most neutral and transparent dynamic headphone sounded v-shape to you.

I can understand why some people say the HD800 sounds too bright or awful, that's usually caused by crappy music and recording. Bass light even, guess I've heard them all now. hehe

post #18430 of 25857

There seems to have been an influx of new HD800 owners disappointed that their expectations haven't been met. That's inevitable when you have high praise heaped on this headphone from those who've dedicated time and finances into building a suitable system for the HD800, and new owners expecting that their entry level components can provide a glimpse of what others are hearing. While certain inherent traits may be evident regardless of the system, the HD800 will only truly sing when all components are in harmony and there is nothing in the chain to stifle its strengths. Some may be better advised to explore other options if they are unable or unwilling to meet the HD800's requirements.

post #18431 of 25857

 

So I have a loaned HE-9 at home for the next month. 

 

2 or 3 hours of listening yesterday evening with a TotalDAC A1 + Audio GD HE-9  + HD800 (unmoded) combo. Thus far,  I find the result is extremely good. Best Solid state amp I heard with My HD800 thus far (Not heard The Ragnarook for example)  and it outperforms the Sonett Hands down. Precise, Ballzy with really great fast ,extended and punchy bass. Surprinsingly smooth Treble ( the totalDAC is a NOS R2R dac but a FIR filter compensate the Treble roll-off so it's not dark ). What's the most impressive is the expanded , deep realistic soundstage. Never heard that from another Solid State amp who usually offer most of the time a left/right presentation wit lack of depth. Obviously the HE-9 is on the warm side.  I'm pretty convinced that this HE-9 si not as transparent and clear as best tube amps though. Dunno if it's the warmth ot something else but clarity/transpareny  are stlightly lacking. 
 

I thought that this amp will benefit more to the HE-6 but in fact that's the HD800 that improves the most. Stock HE-6 treble Harshness/etch is bit more emphasized than with my cheap Speaker T-amp . I didn't expect that.


Maybe my impressions will change after more days of use but thus far it seems this HE-9 is an amp I could live with forever.   

One hypothesis is that the DAC could be unleashed by the HE-9 so I can hear more of what the totaldac is capable of.... I'll try with another dac and see if the HE-9 is revealing of the source and if the sound will change significantly

post #18432 of 25857
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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post
 

 

 

Thanks for sharing. This is very much in line with my impressions of it. It's a great sounding amp for any neutral to bright headphones and my preferred solid state in the current top crop (above the Moon 430HA and Ragnarok). It did sound very good with the Audeze 3Fs too, but with those I would prefer a more neutral and more aggressive sound to open them up a little bit.

 

I did not encounter the treble issues with the HE-6s, which is strange as I am quite sensitive to treble nasties... My DAC was the Theta Generation V, also an R2R.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/529873/amps-that-can-drive-the-hifiman-he-6-planar-headphones/3990#post_11475414

 

You confirmed there was no transformer hum, which is good news. If you have a multi-meter it's easy to check if they are still shorting inputs to ground, when powered off or inputs are not in use, which is not a good practice on any of their amplifiers including this one.


Edited by negura - 5/1/15 at 3:02am
post #18433 of 25857
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Originally Posted by negura View Post
 

 

Thanks for sharing. This is very much in line with my impressions of it. It's a great sounding amp for any neutral to bright headphones and my preferred solid state in the current top crop (including the Moon 430HA and Ragnarok). It did sound very good with the Audeze 3Fs too, but with those I would prefer a more neutral and more aggressive sound to open them up a little bit.

 

I did not encounter the treble issues with the HE-6s, which is strange as I am quite sensitive to treble nasties... My DAC was the Theta Generation V, also an R2R.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/529873/amps-that-can-drive-the-hifiman-he-6-planar-headphones/3990#post_11475414

 

You confirmed there was no transformer hum, which is good news. If you have a multi-meter it's easy to check if they are still shorting inputs to ground, when powered off or inputs are not in use, which is not a good practice on any of their amplifiers including this one.

 

No Hum indeed and unfortunately I haven't any multimeter. Maybe I'll find one arounf there ;)

 

I'm afraid the treble issues I encouter with the HE-6 I've on loan are relative to my own sensitivity to 8/9 khz peaks ;) and the fact that my HE-6 is still unmodded plays a role. My Modded HE5LE is much less zingy than with the stock dampening material behind the driver. 


Edited by Sorrodje - 5/1/15 at 3:08am
post #18434 of 25857
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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post
 

 

So I have a loaned HE-9 at home for the next month. 

 

2 or 3 hours of listening yesterday evening with a TotalDAC A1 + Audio GD HE-9  + HD800 (unmoded) combo. Thus far,  I find the result is extremely good. Best Solid state amp I heard with My HD800 thus far (Not heard The Ragnarook for example)  and it outperforms the Sonett Hands down. Precise, Ballzy with really great fast ,extended and punchy bass. Surprinsingly smooth Treble ( the totalDAC is a NOS R2R dac but a FIR filter compensate the Treble roll-off so it's not dark ). What's the most impressive is the expanded , deep realistic soundstage. Never heard that from another Solid State amp who usually offer most of the time a left/right presentation wit lack of depth. Obviously the HE-9 is on the warm side.  I'm pretty convinced that this HE-9 si not as transparent and clear as best tube amps though. Dunno if it's the warmth ot something else but clarity/transpareny  are stlightly lacking. 
 

I thought that this amp will benefit more to the HE-6 but in fact that's the HD800 that improves the most. Stock HE-6 treble Harshness/etch is bit more emphasized than with my cheap Speaker T-amp . I didn't expect that.


Maybe my impressions will change after more days of use but thus far it seems this HE-9 is an amp I could live with forever.   

One hypothesis is that the DAC could be unleashed by the HE-9 so I can hear more of what the totaldac is capable of.... I'll try with another dac and see if the HE-9 is revealing of the source and if the sound will change significantly

Thanks for the impressions. Sounds like a great match for the HD800. I am curious what happens when you change sources. I have yet to hear a solid state amp that offers the kind of holographic presentation that you get with decent tube amps, so that is the most interesting part of your observations. Keep us posted!

post #18435 of 25857
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Originally Posted by shabta View Post
 

Thanks for the impressions. Sounds like a great match for the HD800. I am curious what happens when you change sources. I have yet to hear a solid state amp that offers the kind of holographic presentation that you get with decent tube amps, so that is the most interesting part of your observations. Keep us posted!

 

Funny enough, the holography isn't what's missing here. Compared to the Eddie Current 2A3MK4 it's the clarity, transparency, detail and transients that are better on the tube amp than on the HE-9. Yeah the sound stage is a bit better on the EC too, but it's surprisingly holographic on the HE-9.

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