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post #1816 of 15287

Greeting Fellow Head-fi'ers!

 

I am looking for a new amp for my HD800's and have narrowed it down to about two choices with a couple of outside contenders.  Currently I'm running my Oppo BDP-105 into a Woo Audio 3 to my Senn's.

 

After much deliberation I've narrowed it down to the Woo Audio WA2 and the Decware CSP2+.

 

My criteria include the following:

1, Tube/OTL topology

2. Preamp functionality.

3. Price somewhere between $1k and $1.5 K

4. Aesthetically pleasing

 

The pros and cons of each amp:

 

Woo Audio WA2

Pros

*I like my WA3 and feel like it would be a significant upgrade to go to the WA2

*Very good looking

*Tube sound to roll off some of the upper end brittleness of the HD800's

*Good price, but the tube rolling may push this amp to the upper end of my price range

Cons

*Not as detailed as some of the upper end amps (I love detail)

*I've never heard the amp, but am familiar with the Woo house sound with the WA3

*Maybe too warm?

 

Decware CSP2+

Pros

*Very competitive price

*On paper looks very compelling

*Seems like excellent preamp functionality

Cons

*Have not heard it although Steve has a 30-day money back guarantee

*Not as good looking as the Woo

*Will the top-mounted everything but a strain on my interconnects?

 

Also, two other contenders are the Eddie Current Super 7 and the Decware Taboo.  My major problem with the Super 7 is how it looks.  Just a black box with tubes sticking out.  Not very good looking at all, in my opinion.  With the Taboo, I'm worried that since Steve has a picture of the Taboo with planar magnetics, that amp may sound too "solid-state".  It's been my experience that the LCD's and the Hifiman's sound better with SS amps, but the 800's respond better to tubes.

 

So, there you have it--my current conundrum.  I'd love to hear from anybody that has heard these amps.  I went to Canjam last year, but none of the Eddie Current or Decware offerings were available to listen to.

 

Any help you could give would be appreciated.

 

Over and out.


Edited by moses1258 - 4/10/13 at 1:21pm
post #1817 of 15287
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post #1818 of 15287

Easily pick the Super 7 (though agreed, it's butt ugly), or CSP2.

post #1819 of 15287
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Originally Posted by moses1258 View Post

Greeting Fellow Head-fi'ers!

 

I am looking for a new amp for my HD800's and have narrowed it down to about two choices with a couple of outside contenders.  Currently I'm running my Oppo BDP-105 into a Woo Audio 3 to my Senn's.

 

After much deliberation I've narrowed it down to the Woo Audio WA2 and the Decware CSP2+.

 

My criteria include the following:

1, Tube/OTL topology

2. Preamp functionality.

3. Price somewhere between $1k and $1.5 K

4. Aesthetically pleasing

 

The pros and cons of each amp:

 

Woo Audio WA2

Pros

*I like my WA3 and feel like it would be a significant upgrade to go to the WA2

*Very good looking

*Tube sound to roll off some of the upper end brittleness of the HD800's

*Good price, but the tube rolling may push this amp to the upper end of my price range

Cons

*Not as detailed as some of the upper end amps (I love detail)

*I've never heard the amp, but am familiar with the Woo house sound with the WA3

*Maybe too warm?

 

Decware CSP2+

Pros

*Very competitive price

*On paper looks very compelling

*Seems like excellent preamp functionality

Cons

*Have not heard it although Steve has a 30-day money back guarantee

*Not as good looking as the Woo

*Will the top-mounted everything but a strain on my interconnects?

 

Also, two other contenders are the Eddie Current Super 7 and the Decware Taboo.  My major problem with the Super 7 is how it looks.  Just a black box with tubes sticking out.  Not very good looking at all, in my opinion.  With the Taboo, I'm worried that since Steve has a picture of the Taboo with planar magnetics, that amp may sound too "solid-state".  It's been my experience that the LCD's and the Hifiman's sound better with SS amps, but the 800's respond better to tubes.

 

So, there you have it--my current conundrum.  I'd love to hear from anybody that has heard these amps.  I went to Canjam last year, but none of the Eddie Current or Decware offerings were available to listen to.

 

Any help you could give would be appreciated.

 

Over and out.

The new Taboo Mk 111 is excellent with the HD800 and so is the CSP2. If you want to use balanced headphones and will also use planar in the future the Taboo Mk111 fits the bill. My review will be done shortly

post #1820 of 15287

Had the WA2 in the past and have the Super 7 now. IMO, the Super 7 finds the perfect balance between speed/detail and warmth/tone. The WA2 can get close with careful tube selection, but ultimately it's personality is on the lush side.

post #1821 of 15287
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Originally Posted by moses1258 View Post

Greeting Fellow Head-fi'ers!

 

I am looking for a new amp for my HD800's and have narrowed it down to about two choices with a couple of outside contenders.  Currently I'm running my Oppo BDP-105 into a Woo Audio 3 to my Senn's.

 

After much deliberation I've narrowed it down to the Woo Audio WA2 and the Decware CSP2+.

 

My criteria include the following:

1, Tube/OTL topology

2. Preamp functionality.

3. Price somewhere between $1k and $1.5 K

4. Aesthetically pleasing

 

... (Click to show)

 

The pros and cons of each amp:

 

Woo Audio WA2

Pros

*I like my WA3 and feel like it would be a significant upgrade to go to the WA2

*Very good looking

*Tube sound to roll off some of the upper end brittleness of the HD800's

*Good price, but the tube rolling may push this amp to the upper end of my price range

Cons

*Not as detailed as some of the upper end amps (I love detail)

*I've never heard the amp, but am familiar with the Woo house sound with the WA3

*Maybe too warm?

 

 

 

Decware CSP2+

Pros

*Very competitive price

*On paper looks very compelling

*Seems like excellent preamp functionality

Cons

*Have not heard it although Steve has a 30-day money back guarantee

*Not as good looking as the Woo

*Will the top-mounted everything but a strain on my interconnects?

 

... (Click to show)

 

Also, two other contenders are the Eddie Current Super 7 and the Decware Taboo.  My major problem with the Super 7 is how it looks.  Just a black box with tubes sticking out.  Not very good looking at all, in my opinion.  With the Taboo, I'm worried that since Steve has a picture of the Taboo with planar magnetics, that amp may sound too "solid-state".  It's been my experience that the LCD's and the Hifiman's sound better with SS amps, but the 800's respond better to tubes.

 

So, there you have it--my current conundrum.  I'd love to hear from anybody that has heard these amps.  I went to Canjam last year, but none of the Eddie Current or Decware offerings were available to listen to.

 

Any help you could give would be appreciated.

 

Over and out.

 

 

 

Since I don't own them, I won't comment too much on the Woo and EC amps except to say that I've heard them both with the HD800, and think they're fine options.  I do however own the CSP2+ and think it's an excellent option.

 

The CSP2+ can take a while to dial in as it has input and output level controls to adjust to the output of your source.  They can really come in handy and make the CSP2+ a better match for more sources (it's equally adept with a 1V iPod and my ~ 4V CD player).  The only real downsides to the preamp is that there's not many extra features (no loop out, only two inputs, etc.) and the switch between the two inputs is not in a convenient location.  It's my second favorite amp for the HD800 next to the Cavalli Liquid Glass, and I still can't convince myself to sell it even though I already own the Liquid Glass as well.

 

I should also note that I think it can actually put less strain on your interconnects and definitely less strain on the female RCA jacks on the amp.

post #1822 of 15287

The Woo amps I've heard in conjunction with the HD800 sounded rather dry to me. Blindfolded I wouldn't believe they were tube amps. But of course I've never owned a Woo nor rolled one extensively so just my 2c.

 

I love the classic look of Decware amps. Just gorgeous especially when lit up. Sound quality of the CSP is better than it has to be at this price point. In fact I'd delay that S7 purchase if you haven't demoed a CSP yet (also the Taboo MKIII sounds promising... need to hear that one). At the Austin meet, the S7 was almost indistinguishably close to the CSP... really the main difference wasn't amp-related but having more to do with the source (Lavry D11 vs. Concero). I recommend spending the $500 difference on tubes and music for the CSP (or Taboo MKIII?) or kicking in more $$$ to demo the Zana Deux or even more $$$ for the Balancing Act if you're looking for an "obviously better" jump from the Eddie Current stable.

post #1823 of 15287

Both the CSP2+ and the Taboo MK III are excellent with HD800's. The Taboo has both balanced and SE outputs. 

post #1824 of 15287

MYGOD! As soon as I got my pair #189xx I knew I had to be reporting in, and this is a few days later. My rig: USB -> Burson Conductor -> HD800

 
Before I start let me say that I despise bright, thin, dry, crappy sounding headphones. For this reason, I started my proper journey with the HD650s and after a detour with the thin bright train wreck that the Beyer T1s were for me, I have only moved the way of warm sounding headphones.

 

As of lately I was perfectly happy with Audeze LCD-2.5s in terms of pretty much everything, but as this hobby goes I have decided and given the HD800s a buy. In my mind having never listened to them before, I was expecting I will likely enjoy with the HD800s with classical and acoustic music where I didn't think the LCD-2 are particularly strong.

 

What I had coming I didn't see. This is not a normal reaction for me towards new headphones, but I was blown away by the HD800s with pretty much anything ranging from Metal to Jazz to Classical music. The detail, the air, the sound stage, the dynamics and all those layers of pure clean music. If I was thinking of a single word to try to describe their sound, this must be it: EPIC. I was concerned about what some described about some lack of bass, but that's actually not the case at all. I reckon this must be related to downstream gear related for some. I actually have troubles going back to my LCD-2s for anything really... not sure if anyone experienced any similar?

 

P.S.: Today I got the ANAX 1.0 in, and that solved the occasional issue with bright recordings and totally sealed the deal for me.


Edited by negura - 4/10/13 at 4:47pm
post #1825 of 15287
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

MYGOD! As soon as I got my pair #189xx I knew I had to be reporting in, and this is a few days later. My rig: USB -> Burson Conductor -> HD800

 
Before I start let me say that I despise bright, thin, dry, crappy sounding headphones. For this reason, I started my proper journey with the HD650s and after a detour with the thin bright train wreck that the Beyer T1s were for me, I have only moved the way of warm sounding headphones.

 

As of lately I was perfectly happy with Audeze LCD-2.5s in terms of pretty much everything, but as this hobby goes I have decided and given the HD800s a buy. In my mind having never listened to them before, I was expecting I will likely enjoy with the HD800s with classical and acoustic music where I didn't think the LCD-2 are particularly strong.

 

What I had coming I didn't see. This is not a normal reaction for me towards new headphones, but I was blown away by the HD800s with pretty much anything ranging from Metal to Jazz to Classical music. The detail, the air, the sound stage, the dynamics and all those layers of pure clean music. If I was thinking of a single word to try to describe their sound, this must be it: EPIC. I was concerned about what some described about some lack of bass, but that's actually not the case at all. I reckon this must be related to downstream gear related for some. I actually have troubles going back to my LCD-2s for anything really... not sure if anyone experienced any similar?

 

P.S.: Today I got the ANAX 1.0 in, and that solved the occasional issue with bright recordings and totally sealed the deal for me.

Absolutely, exactly my experience. After all the reading I did just did not expect what I heard, pure music.

post #1826 of 15287

Exact same response on nearly the same rig.  No want or need for Anax here though.

post #1827 of 15287
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Exact same response on nearly the same rig.  No want or need for Anax here though.

+1

post #1828 of 15287

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del - changed my mind


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 4/10/13 at 5:48pm
post #1829 of 15287
Quote:
Originally Posted by negura View Post

MYGOD! As soon as I got my pair #189xx I knew I had to be reporting in, and this is a few days later. My rig: USB -> Burson Conductor -> HD800

 
Before I start let me say that I despise bright, thin, dry, crappy sounding headphones. For this reason, I started my proper journey with the HD650s and after a detour with the thin bright train wreck that the Beyer T1s were for me, I have only moved the way of warm sounding headphones.

 

As of lately I was perfectly happy with Audeze LCD-2.5s in terms of pretty much everything, but as this hobby goes I have decided and given the HD800s a buy. In my mind having never listened to them before, I was expecting I will likely enjoy with the HD800s with classical and acoustic music where I didn't think the LCD-2 are particularly strong.

 

What I had coming I didn't see. This is not a normal reaction for me towards new headphones, but I was blown away by the HD800s with pretty much anything ranging from Metal to Jazz to Classical music. The detail, the air, the sound stage, the dynamics and all those layers of pure clean music. If I was thinking of a single word to try to describe their sound, this must be it: EPIC. I was concerned about what some described about some lack of bass, but that's actually not the case at all. I reckon this must be related to downstream gear related for some. I actually have troubles going back to my LCD-2s for anything really... not sure if anyone experienced any similar?

 

P.S.: Today I got the ANAX 1.0 in, and that solved the occasional issue with bright recordings and totally sealed the deal for me.

 

HD800 has ruined me, only a few STAX can excite me, but they are way our of my budget.  LCD-2 has some interesting qualities but I don't have enough money to spend on interesting qualities.

 

Pretty much everything can affect bass in upstream gear, and the HD800 will let you hear this.  Glad you are enjoying these headphones as much as I am.  I can't wait for the finalised Rabid Dog mods.

post #1830 of 15287


I am firmly in the Decware camp. I find that the ability to pick the wood base allows for some very interesting looks. I have now seen the Black Figured (Nicks) the Walnut (Jazzerdaves) and my new Cherry (FrankIs retired unit). It is a great amp for the money and can be used together with the TabooMK3 later on as I will soon be doing. Pictures don't do the white ceramic top justice. I also don't know if they are offering the CSP with the black top if you order new. As to sound quality, I can only comment that it is stunning.
It's like trying to choose between awesome and awesome. Either way - You win!

Good luck!
Edited by Landmantx - 4/10/13 at 6:57pm
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