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post #1666 of 24367

Peak is good for low impedance headphones but on the HD800 I thought it was somewhat thin and dry.  GS-X mk2 is neither.

post #1667 of 24367

Just realized that nearly all my gear is mk2 /facepalm

post #1668 of 24367
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

+1 Same here with NFB-7 & Master-6 running single ended.

I hope you're right. I have an M8 en route to pair with my M7. And my Pioneer SA8100 isn't doing my Senns any favors-somewhat piercing and harsh like every other ss amp I tried them with. Gosh I miss my ZDSE...Leviathan can't get here soon enough.

 

-Daniel


Edited by BournePerfect - 4/6/13 at 7:40am
post #1669 of 24367
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

 

I totally agree , crossfeed is almost a must have with the hd800. This "dissociated" sound between left and right, is just too jarring for me.

I didn't have this problem with other headphone, perhaps because a layer of muddiness makes the separation less obvious.

Regarding treble, you are right, that some crossfeed tame it.

 

Here's what I get , when I analyze the default setting of BS2B:

 

You see that the frequencies are tamed by almost 2db, which in he case of hd800, is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

I wanted to analyze the side channel too , which represent the stereo separation ( (left-right)*0.5 ):

 

 

You see that the stereo separation is heavily reduced for the bass , below 500  hz.

 

I still think that crossfeed doesn't sound perfect, so it's a bit a frustrating experience, to decide either you turn it on or not.

 

I agree that HD800 benefits from crossfeed - it perfects the soundstage.

 

That said, try out some hardware-based one. The circuit in my StageDAC is extremely superior to anything software based I've tried before (BS2B, tb isone, Jriver's native, Redline etc.). Just a complete improvement without any degradation and without being too obvious (its implemenation into "stock" sound is subtle and very natural).

 

I am never again going to listen to my headphones without hardware crossfeed or device like Realiser, it's too crucial for me...


Edited by RustA - 4/6/13 at 9:27am
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Originally Posted by RustA View Post

 

I agree that HD800 benefits from crossfeed - it perfects the soundstage.

 

That said, try out some hardware-based one. The circuit in my StageDAC is extremely superior to anything software based I've tried before (BS2B, tb isone, Jriver's native, Redline etc.). Just a complete improvement without any degradation and without being too obvious (its implemenation into "stock" sound is subtle and very natural).

 

I am never again going to listen to my headphones without hardware crossfeed or device like Realiser, it's too crucial for me...


Well, I  imagine that the hardware based one could be superior. I  like to experiment with dsp, anyway ; I might create my own vst one day.

post #1671 of 24367

I wouldn't want to change the sound of the HD800's, they are the most transparent hp's I've heard. I've needed to equalize hp's in the past and I'm not against it. I just find it difficult to understand why anyone would need to with these. 

 

Any apparent flaws with a headphone of this calibre would surely of been sorted by now.. What's it 5 years its been in production? 

 

Equalize/crossfeed for personal taste, but don't kid yourself that you are correcting this world class hp. 

post #1672 of 24367

I am finding the bass to be too thin at times when listening to the HD800. I don't think that every song I listen to was meant to have thin bass. On some songs the bass seems to be non-existant its like I would be listening to a pair of tweeters. What am I doing wrong? And how can I fix this?

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post


Equalize/crossfeed for personal taste, but don't kid yourself that you are correcting this world class hp. 

Well since most music is produced using speakers, it's not wrong to use crossfeed. I  think with the hd800, we are just getting more aware of the limits of headphones.

post #1674 of 24367
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Originally Posted by zigy626 View Post

I am finding the bass to be too thin at times when listening to the HD800. I don't think that every song I listen to was meant to have thin bass. On some songs the bass seems to be non-existant its like I would be listening to a pair of tweeters. What am I doing wrong? And how can I fix this?

it is possibly 2 things. 

 

1) it could be that you are a bass head and just like more bass than the rest of us HD800 fans like and should look at audezes 

 

2) your gear does not extend well enough or your source material is poorly recorded. HD 800 reveals all of it. my 2 cents. 

post #1675 of 24367

imo, if you consider using EQ on HD800, you might as well go back to HD 600/650.

post #1676 of 24367
I was listening to some trance last night and the bass was so well done it was addictive and I literally couldn't stop despite being up way later than I should have been.
post #1677 of 24367
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

imo, if you consider using EQ on HD800, you might as well go back to HD 600/650.

 

My thoughts as well.  Or just a different headphone family altogether..

 

 

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Originally Posted by Cante Ista View Post

it is possibly 2 things. 

 

1) it could be that you are a bass head and just like more bass than the rest of us HD800 fans like and should look at audezes 

 

2) your gear does not extend well enough or your source material is poorly recorded. HD 800 reveals all of it. my 2 cents. 

 

 

I'd say #2

post #1678 of 24367
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Originally Posted by zigy626 View Post

I am finding the bass to be too thin at times when listening to the HD800. I don't think that every song I listen to was meant to have thin bass. On some songs the bass seems to be non-existant its like I would be listening to a pair of tweeters. What am I doing wrong? And how can I fix this?

I found the mid-bass pretty strong/good, but then it's weaker below.

Listen to the title  Claude VonStroke "Who's Afraid of Detroit", and tell me if you still find the bass thin:

 


Edited by extrabigmehdi - 4/6/13 at 12:28pm
post #1679 of 24367
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

imo, if you consider using EQ on HD800, you might as well go back to HD 600/650.

I'm thinking Beats.

post #1680 of 24367
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Originally Posted by aphex27 View Post

I'm thinking Beats.

I think it depends on your EQ. I think HD800 are great without modding or EQ'ing. 

 

What I think happens is when people move up to better headphones aka hd800 (and I am not saying this is the case here, just in general), they come from cans that are designed to compensate for crappy low fi digital downloads with emphasized lower mid-range and bass. As many of us move up, we get the good cans and improve the rest our systems subsequently (not all, but many of us). The result is oftentimes the combination of 1) upstream components that perform below the level needed for fine instruments like the HD800 and 2) ears/brain that are used to emphasized lower frequencies from the use of lesser headphones. 

 

Then again, anyone reading it should not get bogged down by what some feels is better or worse. If you dont like it, ditch it. Life is too short. 


Edited by Cante Ista - 4/6/13 at 1:22pm
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