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post #1426 of 24297
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Yeah, I had sense, they were great, till I listened to gradolabs ps1000's, they are in a completely different league.

 

Little league or special olympics?

post #1427 of 24297
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Funny you should mention this... my son is nearly 3 and, as I've recently discovered, sleeps like a rock. So I've cashed in some of my headphone gear and bought some Totem Hawks. I've forgotten how nice loud music on speakers can be.

Yeah, my 5 year old son is a light sleeper (lucky me) and my wife can hear a fly break wind....so no speakers for me after 8pm. confused.gif

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I think I have come to the conclusion after reading many thread on the best Amp for the HD800. Many of the US residents have suggested Woo Audio WA22 which at $1900 is way off my budget add the custom duties for UK and we are looking at almost £1700 (WOW). Have read conflicting reports regarding the Lehmann Audio Black Cube some say its good for the HD800 while other disagree 

 

Here is good review stating that Lehmann Audio has very good synergy with HD800's

 

http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/hi-fi-plus-lehmann-black-cube-linear-usb-headphone-amplifierdac/

 

Lastly I have heard mostly from Head-Fi comments from different people that Voilectric V200/V100 are great with HD800 also was recommended the G109 by Lake People.

 

Now here is my dilemma I have already invested close to £900 on the Audiolab M-Dac and Meier Corda Jazz. Would it be worth to sell the whole lot on ebay and go with the above suggestions? I guess my question is very specific and not many have commented on M-DAC and HD800 synergy. 

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If you are happy stay where you are.  Just a quick note... V100 is not a downsized V200.  Also the WA22 is a really bad choice for value.

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If you are happy stay where you are.  Just a quick note... V100 is not a downsized V200.  Also the WA22 is a really bad choice for value.

For the time being I am going to stay with the M-DAC and Jazz. The Developer for the M-Dac John Westlake is very active in the community and keeps on adding functions to the M-Dac with firmware updates. But will save up for a future upgrade down the line when it comes to the amp.

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Audiolab has been a leader in high value audiophile products for decades now.  Definitely no reason to upgrade unless you have 2x the funds to spend at least.

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For the time being I am going to stay with the M-DAC and Jazz. The Developer for the M-Dac John Westlake is very active in the community and keeps on adding functions to the M-Dac with firmware updates. But will save up for a future upgrade down the line when it comes to the amp.

I'm going to be looking at the M-Dac next :)

 

Just a note on the Lehmann, I have a M-Stage which is based on the Lehmann circuit and it seems to be good with the HD800's. Nothing seems lacking, I have it paired with an old Arcam black box dac that has a nice analogue feel to it.

Why not give the M-stage a go? In this hobby its not always about price. More about synergy, and I'm sure it will be an improvement over the Mdac hp out (havent heard the Jazz). I have the opa627 class A bias mod and it takes it up another level in performance which is already very good for the price :) I think it has better synergy with the HD800's than my more expensive Audio gd. 

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I'm going to be looking at the M-Dac next :)

 

Just a note on the Lehmann, I have a M-Stage which is based on the Lehmann circuit and it seems to be good with the HD800's. Nothing seems lacking, I have it paired with an old Arcam black box dac that has a nice analogue feel to it.

Why not give the M-stage a go? In this hobby its not always about price. More about synergy, and I'm sure it will be an improvement over the Mdac hp out (havent heard the Jazz). I have the opa627 class A bias mod and it takes it up another level in performance which is already very good for the price :) I think it has better synergy with the HD800's than my more expensive Audio gd. 

Thanks for that. I agree the M-Stage would be a good combination with the HD800. I sold mine unfortunately just a couple of months ago. Mainly because at the time I was using it with the HD650. The HD650 are a mellow sounding headphones to begin with and I thought the M-Stage made them sound even more on the mellow side. At that time did not have enough experience with the whole Sennheiser veil sound and thought the fault was with the M-Stage. Jazz is a very transparent amp so it does not colour the sound in anyway so if the source is bright then that is how it will sound. With HD800's I think they need that added mellowness/warmth that the tube amps and M-Stage provide if you want to listen to them for a long period of time. I guess that is way Lehmann was chosen to show case the HD800 early on its public debut.

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Thanks for that. I agree the M-Stage would be a good combination with the HD800. I sold mine unfortunately just a couple of months ago. Mainly because at the time I was using it with the HD650. The HD650 are a mellow sounding headphones to begin with and I thought the M-Stage made them sound even more on the mellow side. At that time did not have enough experience with the whole Sennheiser veil sound and thought the fault was with the M-Stage. Jazz is a very transparent amp so it does not colour the sound in anyway so if the source is bright then that is how it will sound. With HD800's I think they need that added mellowness/warmth that the tube amps and M-Stage provide if you want to listen to them for a long period of time. I guess that is way Lehmann was chosen to show case the HD800 early on its public debut.

Absolutely :) 

 

My Audio c2.2 is even warmer than the M-stage and for my preference may soften the sound a little too much with the HD800's. Suppose it shows how transparent these cans are. 

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Why get the HD800 if you want to warm them over? Youre losing detail when you do that, which seems to me goes against what the HD800 is all about.

 

Im listening to my HD800 with a Benchmark DAC1 right now and the sound is full rich deep clear punchy and fast. Its a little brighter than some amps Ive tried, but it isnt strident or shrill in the least. Transparent is the word that comes to mind.

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Why get the HD800 if you want to warm them over? Youre losing detail when you do that, which seems to me goes against what the HD800 is all about.

 

Im listening to my HD800 with a Benchmark DAC1 right now and the sound is full rich deep clear punchy and fast. Its a little brighter than some amps Ive tried, but it isnt strident or shrill in the least. Transparent is the word that comes to mind.

Good question. This is taken from the review of the V200 by Project86

 

"Highs also follow the Violectric blueprint by having an emphasis on smoothness. They are extended and accurate, but like the V181 they are still not the main focus of the presentation. This is definitely not what I’d call a bright amp. Because of this, the V200 is probably a little more forgiving than something like a Meier Concerto or HeadAmp GS-1. But I don’t find that there is any detail missing: transients are fast and clean, and there is enough air and sparkle up top to make things like cymbals or triangles sound startlingly real. The only limitation is that I probably wouldn’t pair the V200 (or V181 for that matter) with a really dark source… my Sigtone Shek NOS DAC is just about at the limit as far as being too dark for my tastes when paired with the V200, and I know some other NOS or tube designs go even further in that direction. Aside from that the V200 paired well with every CD player or DAC that I tried, and even sounded damn good straight from the analog outputs of a stock Squeezebox Touch. I suspect this is because the high frequencies are where you most easily spot digital harshness, and the V200 is somewhat more forgiving there."

 

Maybe it is for a reason that V200 is considered a good choice for the HD800. You dont always have to sacrifice detail. Same goes for the Lehmann and M-Stage I guess they all add that extra bit of smoothness to the Highs when in comes to the HD800.

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That is my opinion of the V200 as well. Compared to the DAC1, it trades a bit of articulation for a slightly smoother treble. It takes careful listening to tell the difference though...

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Beta22, being a relatively smooth solid state amp, probably pairs well with HD800s?
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Originally Posted by zzffnn View Post

Beta22, being a relatively smooth solid state amp, probably pairs well with HD800s?

 

I agree, It does.  It's my second favorite amp with the HD800s.   Overall I prefer the GS-X mk2 over it.

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I've had the G109 for about three months.. expecting the V200 today (and a V800 relatively soon).  Will provide some comparisons with the HD800.

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