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Pretty much my impression when I had it - didn't have it for long ;)

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Regarding the Woo WA7 Fireflies, I'm not totally happy with the pairing with the HD800s. It doesn't provide enough low-end support for my tastes. Of course others may hear it differently!
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I see that you have the WA6 - do you find it significantly better than the WA7?
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Better, yes, with the right tubes.  Significantly, not really.  It's richer, fuller with better bass maybe sacrificing some high end detail.  For me, it works well and it's a keeper.   Going to take a look at the HDVD800 next.  Want some tube and SS goodness before I can call it done for now.

 

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I see that you have the WA6 - do you find it significantly better than the WA7?
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Originally Posted by Moonhead View Post
 

You should differently consider one Questyle cma800r, thats one brilliant amp if you love everything HD800 offers. 


That amplifier seems really nice but I can see it doesn't have built in dac in it so I guess I would have to buy pretty expensive dac for the amp :S.

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That amplifier seems really nice but I can see it doesn't have built in dac in it so I guess I would have to buy pretty expensive dac for the amp :S.

 

The Dangerous Music Source may fit your bill. 

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I been listening quite a bit lately with the Hd8oo an Nordost Heimdall with the new Viva Egoista ampI am reviewing on headphpone.guru . I also have the V281 from Violectric in here and they sound very nice on them as well. 

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That amplifier seems really nice but I can see it doesn't have built in dac in it so I guess I would have to buy pretty expensive dac for the amp :S.

Get the Questyle first then a dac, the AMP is more important that dac, IMO.
I had the Questyle running with ODAC you Can go with that for starters.
I Never did get another dac because there where nothing missing, mate because the Questyle was a Grant match for hd800, miles ahead from Schiit Mjolnir i had before.
Edited by Moonhead - 8/31/14 at 11:45pm
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Originally Posted by Moonhead View Post


Get the Questyle first then a dac, the AMP is more important that dac, IMO.
I had the Questyle running with ODAC you Can go with that for starters.
I Never did get another dac because there where nothing missing, mate because the Questyle was a Grant match for hd800, miles ahead from Schiit Mjolnir i had before.

Agree. The Questyle is a great amp for HD800. Very detailed with nice imaging and soundstage, yet smooth up top and have great bass slam.

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Is the abyss really worth 3x of the HD800 price?
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Is the abyss really worth 3x of the HD800 price?

welcome to the last 2%......Price escalates right at the very tip of the summit.

 

And of course not everyone agrees it is better. Also an occupational hazard for the Audiophile.....

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I have not listen to Abyss, but is there any headphones worth there price, I doubt it.
But then again if you want a top tier headphone for your money, HD800 cant be beaten, IMO.
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Is the abyss really worth 3x of the HD800 price?

IMO, nope.  I also personally don't think the abyss is clearly better than HD800 while Stax 009 is.

As always, there're people who would disagree.  :p 

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Is the abyss really worth 3x of the HD800 price?

Is the Abyss better than the HD800? No doubt.  Is it three times better?  Absolutely not! 

 

But remember that most of the headphones discussed here are way past the point of diminishing return in terms of price relative to performance--average folks use crappy $50 headphones and the best quality to price ratio is probably way back there around $200-$300 (just a wild guess).

 

If we give most of the excellent headphones discussed here on HeadFi a rating of 90 points or higher (out of 100) in terms of sound, a small improvement from 90 to 95 points (roughly a 5% improvement) with easily double the price from say $500 to $1000.

 

As we climb higher still into the rarified air of the best headphones, a small improvement of a few percentage points from say 95 to 97 points will likely double the price again to near $2,000.  Let's just assume that the Abyss is near perfection at 98-99 points, then its price will easily double again or triple for an even smaller improvement.

 

That's the way it is with everything near the very top-end of quality and far beyond the point of diminishing return.  I am not saying that a few percent improvement is not important--obviously it is to many of us, myself included--but at the highest level of performance, the improvement will be necessarily smaller and the cost differential disproportionately larger.

 

That is why I look at the current trend of price escalation for headphone (and IEM) gears with a certain amount of apprehension.  I have witnessed the disppearance of High-End Audio for average Audiophiles in the past decade, victim of a mindless pursuit of perfection which inflated the costs of High-End Stereo completely out of reach of all but multi-millionaires and billionaires:  $30,000 turntable, $5,000 cartridge, $50,000 amp and $100,000 speakers, which also need $10,000 cables.  Yikes!  The vast majority of audiophiles who supported High-End Stereo for over 30 years were left out in the cold. 

 

Hopefully, I am counting on the very different structure of the business these days to prevent such calamity from happening as small companies with excellent and modestly-priced products can make a breakthrough far easier than it used to be. But I am not holding my breath.

 

So back to your questions:  Is the Abyss at a whopping $5,000 better than the $1,600 HD800? Absolutely.  Is it three times better?  Absolutely not!  Just like the $1,600 HD800 is not twice (if at all) better than the $800 HE-560 or 2.5 times better than the Grado SR325i. Not even close! 

 

But I do feel fortunate I can still (barely) afford cans like the Abyss or Stax SR-009 today. Who knows. Five to ten years from now, they may be considered real bargains.    


Edited by Justin_Time - 9/1/14 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by Moonhead View Post

...but is there any headphones worth there price, I doubt it...
 

 

I think that the Sennheiser HD600's were well worth their asking price during their run.

 

Some headphones are worth their attainable price. The cost of materials and R&D, as well

as their musical presentation can make the price valid.

 

Were the R10's and the HE-90's worth $4-8K? Not likely. But if you have the money to spend, then the

other fun part of this hobby, "the thrill of the chase" can be quite satisfying.

 

Also, any headphone that holds or grows it's value, is worth it's money. You get to enjoy them, and then get most or all

of your money back.

 

Is a $3000 1960's restored GTO worth $40,000? Well…that's another thread! :p

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The Abyss is just far too ugly. My god the thing is horrible! 

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