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I'm mainly waiting for the Ragg / Ygg to see what the deal really is.

God, its been a while, hasn't it? Looks like closer to Halloween/Thanksgiving for that combo to be heard. Its my guess only and I don't want to start any controversy.

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I'm mainly waiting for the Ragg / Ygg to see what the deal really is.

+1 you hear any news on the Rag or Ygg since they closed down that thread?

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I've not heard the Hugo so cannot help you there. The Hugo has its admirers and detractors and both are passionate. Next, I'm more a desktop person. For the odd times that I do take the HPs out, I use the CLAS -dB as the DAC and the SR 71B as the amp. The CLAS is a very good DAC, IMO. My combo works out cheaper than the Hugo but you now have 3 devices to deal with for portability. 

 

Last, I'm a fan of the Gungnir and cannot think of a better mate for the Mojo. Synergy is just very good, especially with your Audez'e HPs.

I have the original CLAS as well and I must agree it is a damn fine piece of product! Although I am more of a desktop person, I was thinking of toting the Hugo around for office duties with my HTC phone. Makes a pretty good combo but of course there are other cheaper alternatives. I've sold the XC and have bought a used pair of HE-500 and loving every minute of it. Wonder if the MJ/Gung pairing will synergies with the 500. 

 

On another note, I am keen to hear your impressions of the MJ/G pairing with the HD800 :)

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I had the MJ/G combo with both HE6 & HD800 and i was not to impressed with it.
I'm not sure if it's the amp or dac, but for me it sounded beyond neutral and very bright fatiguing in the treble.
It does not have enough power for he6 and give me tinnitus with a very annoying unnatural treble, but that particular Hifiman just doesn't sound natural in the highs, IMO.
Making the HD800 way to bright too, I can imagine it would be a good match with Audeze lineup.
Edited by Moonhead - 8/17/14 at 9:01am
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I had the MJ/G combo with both HE6 & HD800 and i was not to impressed with it.
I'm not sure if it's the amp or dac, but for me it sounded beyond neutral and very bright fatiguing in the treble.
It does not have enough power for he6 and give me tinnitus with a very annoying unnatural treble, but that particular Hifiman just doesn't sound natural in the highs, IMO.
Making the HD800 way to bright too, I can imagine it would be a good match with Audeze lineup.

Its been my experience as well. The G/M stack worked very well with the HE 500. I had the jergpads on them and it was even better.

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x3

The MJ/Gungnir/HD800 rig was the most offensive I've ever heard the Senns, and the Gungnir was the prime culprit.

Soup: Are you running the gungnir with the v2 board? Supposedly that's a decent improvement over what I heard. I also suspect that the Valhalla 2 is helping the aggressive highs a bit, whereas the MJ didn't do them any favors. My .02.

-Daniel

edit: Come to think of it, I don't think my Gungnir had usb iirc. Just ran it via coax mainly.
Edited by BournePerfect - 8/17/14 at 10:25am
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Yup. An aggressive pairing that gave the HD800 a real kick in the pants. I admit I somewhat enjoyed that pairing.

Somehow much more than even the M51 and Mjolnir. I guess kind of quirky.

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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post

I've not heard the Hugo so cannot help you there. The Hugo has its admirers and detractors and both are passionate. Next, I'm more a desktop person. For the odd times that I do take the HPs out, I use the CLAS -dB as the DAC and the SR 71B as the amp. The CLAS is a very good DAC, IMO. My combo works out cheaper than the Hugo but you now have 3 devices to deal with for portability. 

Last, I'm a fan of the Gungnir and cannot think of a better mate for the Mojo. Synergy is just very good, especially with your Audez'e HPs.

My experience was very diff than yours.
I had the full.balance setup clas -db to sr71b, nothing was really impressive.

Never liked sr71b sounding and clas db couldn't compete with my old burson ha160ds. (Almost the same price for both) Portable rigs are really not in the same league as the desktop setup imo.

I was thinking of giving another shoot at portable but the look of hugo completely turned me off. I just don't understand the color coding of hugo instead of actual "more" intuitive display.

I guess I will hold spending until better dacs come out. smily_headphones1.gif

Peace.
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post

x3

The MJ/Gungnir/HD800 rig was the most offensive I've ever heard the Senns, and the Gungnir was the prime culprit.

Soup: Are you running the gungnir with the v2 board? Supposedly that's a decent improvement over what I heard. I also suspect that the Valhalla 2 is helping the aggressive highs a bit, whereas the MJ didn't do them any favors. My .02.

-Daniel

edit: Come to think of it, I don't think my Gungnir had usb iirc. Just ran it via coax mainly.

Yeah it has the v2 USB board. So does my Bifrost.
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Originally Posted by lovethatsound View Post

your hdva600 will not colour the sound,it's been made 2 drive the hd800s probably . using this amp with the balance cable will give you the best results you're ever gonna get with the hd 800s.So really it's all down 2 the dac your using,the better the dac the better your hd 800s will sound.l use the hdvd800 which is the same amp as you, but with a built in dac, which I don't use.i use the chord hugo as the dac and could listen 2 it all day and all night like this . Just find the right dac for you.the hd800s are one of the best headphones you can get at the moment,they tell it as it is.

Not exactly true. As discussed at length in this thread a couple weeks back, the Senn amps have an output impedance of 40 ohms, which does boost the hd800s bass. Purrin posted some very cool graphs documenting this effect a while ago using several different impedance adapters to show the impact on FR. With push pull and dual mono amps, running balanced doubles that output impedance and the resulting bass boost. I'm not suggesting that there is any objective good or bad in this, but it is definitely coloring the sound.
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Not exactly true. As discussed at length in this thread a couple weeks back, the Senn amps have an output impedance of 40 ohms, which does boost the hd800s bass. Purrin posted some very cool graphs documenting this effect a while ago using several different impedance adapters to show the impact on FR. With push pull and dual mono amps, running balanced doubles that output impedance and the resulting bass boost. I'm not suggesting that there is any objective good or bad in this, but it is definitely coloring the sound.
well it's not coloring is it, because that's how the hd800s are supposed 2 sound, that's why senn made the amps so you could hear the hd800s how they should be heard.And they got it right.
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Originally Posted by lovethatsound View Post

well it's not coloring is it, because that's how the hd800s are supposed 2 sound, that's why senn made the amps so you could hear the hd800s how they should be heard.And they got it right.

The headphones predated the amps, and Senn never suggested that they were intended for a high output impedance. In fact, Senn used to demo them at shows with stuff like the dac1, that has a 1 ohm output.

After several years of fairly prevalent complaints on the net that a lot of people found them too bright with SS gear, Senn released its own high output impedance SS amp, causing a boosted bass response. If that's not coloring them, what precisely would you call it?
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well it's not coloring is it, because that's how the hd800s are supposed 2 sound, that's why senn made the amps so you could hear the hd800s how they should be heard.And they got it right.

One of the funnier things I've read in this thread.  :tongue:

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The headphones predated the amps, and Senn never suggested that they were intended for a high output impedance. In fact, Senn used to demo them at shows with stuff like the dac1, that has a 1 ohm output.

After several years of fairly prevalent complaints on the net that a lot of people found them too bright with SS gear, Senn released its own high output impedance SS amp, causing a boosted bass response. If that's not coloring them, what precisely would you call it?

+1.

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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post

Not exactly true. As discussed at length in this thread a couple weeks back, the Senn amps have an output impedance of 40 ohms, which does boost the hd800s bass. Purrin posted some very cool graphs documenting this effect a while ago using several different impedance adapters to show the impact on FR. With push pull and dual mono amps, running balanced doubles that output impedance and the resulting bass boost. I'm not suggesting that there is any objective good or bad in this, but it is definitely coloring the sound.
well it's not coloring is it, because that's how the hd800s are supposed 2 sound, that's why senn made the amps so you could hear the hd800s how they should be heard.And they got it right.

 

IMO the Senn amp doesn't make the HD800s sound "the way it's supposed to sound" as skeptic said, the headphone predates the amp. The only way you can state an amp makes a headphone the way it's supposed to sound is if the amp predates the headphone, and the headphone were voiced using that amp. In this case, I think I read somewhere that Sennheiser used the Lehmann BCL to voice the HD800.

 

I know this makes little sense, but IMO from my hearing, the Senn amp is a heavily colored amp. I'm not saying that its bad, in fact I'm enjoying it a lot. But it is exactly why I'm looking forward to get another amp such as the BHA-1, which IMO is one of the "budget high-end" amp with the least coloration.

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