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Matt, Purrin, anybody

Any thoughts on a potential pairing of Project Ember with the 800?

 

Didn't buy, didn't build it, didn't hear it...sorry. 

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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

Yeah, but wouldn't it be fun spending $1439.34 with different tubes to just to see if Lyr2 can exceed Val2 in terms of microdynamics and microdetail extraction?

 

Purrin,

 

Do you think the Sonett 2 would be any good if using only stock/not-very-expensive tubes?

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Never heard Ember, only Sunrise. Sunrise was veiled and less involving compared to Vali, but had warmer sound. I have no clue on Ember though and also no clue about their product line which has five models all around the same price. Manufacturer should make a matrix to denote / summarize differences. Already have headache from trying to read descriptions and specs.


Edited by purrin - 8/13/14 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post

 

Purrin,

 

Do you think the Sonett 2 would be any good if using only stock/not-very-expensive tubes?

 

Always try to source old-stock tubes. I have never preferred any new production tube to old-stock. But others may differ. I know some like to run those Shuguang big bottles on the Stratus. Even, the cheapest old-stock tube which 50% of its life remaining sounds better than new production.

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Purrin,

Do you feel the sonett 2 performs right where it's pricing is along the WA6SE, bha 1, Wa2, and whatever other amp around its pricing and right below the super 7? Asking because it's not as popular as the others.
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Yes, the Sonnett is very appropriately placed in terms of pricing - keeping in mind that all those amps you mentioned do sound different and have different capabilities with WA2 being the most gooey. BHA1 being the most solid-state because it is solid-state. WA6 and Super 7 almost sounding like anything depending upon tubes. Sonnett 2 works well with stock HD800. Super 7 and WA6SE with typical tube arrangement, I resort to light EQ or mods. (To give you reference, I think stock HD800 is slightly too bright.) S7 has the most slam. S7 and Sonnett 2 are a little more resolving to the rest. BHA-1 is flattest in terms of microdynamics of the bunch, but has best control and is the least soft.


Edited by purrin - 8/13/14 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post
 

Yes, the Sonnett is very appropriately placed in terms of pricing - keeping in mind that all those amps you mentioned do sound different and have different capabilities with WA2 being the most gooey. BHA1 being the most solid-state because it is solid-state. WA6 and Super 7 almost sounding like anything depending upon tubes. Sonnett 2 works well with stock HD800. Super 7 and WA6SE with typical tube arrangement, I resort to light EQ or mods. (To give you reference, I think stock HD800 is slightly too bright.) S7 has the most slam. S7 and Sonnett 2 are a little more resolving to the rest. BHA-1 is flattest in terms of microdynamics of the bunch, but has best control and is the least soft.

 

Hmm then should I just go with BHA-1 as my secondary amp? I'm worried that if I go with Sonett 2 I would spend a lot more for expensive, premium tubes.. But then again, sometimes that is the fun part of tube amps I guess :p

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Yes your explanation is very clear and I thank you for that.
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Question :  All-in-one audiophile quality solid state, balanced, DAC AND Headphone Amp .... does it exist? Recommendations?

You can consider audio-gd nfb28 / nfb10.33.
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Hi guys, what do you think about this graph by headroom:

 

They seem to suggest that a balanced HD800 measures quite differently than a standard HD800, especially in the upper treble area. While I do notice an improvement of going balanced, most of the difference I heard are only in regard to seperation, soundstage & imaging and so on. I don't hear any difference in the treble area.

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http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=-1&graphID[]=4061&graphID[]=2321&graphID[]=863&scale=30

 

Has that HD800 balanced measurement been up for a while? Is it the "2013" or an older HD800?

 

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=-2&graphID[]=4061&graphID[]=2321&graphID[]=863&scale=30

 

Looking at the raw measurements, the balanced looks more controlled as there is less jumping and spikes in the treble. Balanced looks a lot flatter from 2-8KHz which I assume is due to better control?


Edited by namaiki - 8/13/14 at 10:33pm
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It's pointless drawing conclusions without knowing if any of these are the same headphone, measured same day on the same rig in the same position without moving them. Positioning, pad wear etc all make wild variations in the upper areas.

 

Hmm I could do some balanced measuring experiments with my HD800 & CMA800R. Since you only need to measure one channel, I don't need another monoblock. :D Just need to build adapter..

 

(Seriously doubt if there would be any basic FR or other differences. And as we know, no one has yet come up with a way to measure soundstage..)


Edited by hekeli - 8/13/14 at 11:58pm
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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post
 

 

Purrin,

 

Do you think the Sonett 2 would be any good if using only stock/not-very-expensive tubes?

 

 

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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post
 

 

 I'm worried that if I go with Sonett 2 I would spend a lot more for expensive, premium tubes.. But then again, sometimes that is the fun part of tube amps I guess :p

 

There're not so much possibilities for Tube Rolling on the Sonett. it uses a pair of 6H30p/6N30p  & a GZ34/5AR4 rectifier. There was only one NOS 6H30p , it was the Reflektor 6h30pi-DR "supertubes". They're out of stock so it's very rare and & very expensive. The only two options are Sovtek 6H30p and Electro Harmonix ones. I asked Donald when i purchased my Sonett 2 and i answered me he didn't found the Reflektor 6h30pi brings improvement so I didn't care about these. He said he didn't try EH 6h30p yet . I didn't try myself neither but I will.

 

For the rectifier, Donald said me he tried a NOS Mullard and find a real improvement . I purchased one here in France ( 100€ Shipped) and I'm happy with the result. There're many other NOS GZ34 but I didnt search a lot. Many of those GZ34 seems to be produced by Mullard ? .

 

I really appreciate that Sonett doesn't permit so much tube rolling and Works good  with stock tubes.  It's better for my wallet and the peace of my mind . I can listen to music without asking me all the time if there's some better tube combo somewhere ;) .  The main thing I gained with the metrum + Sonett combo is thart I can switch them on, let them warm a few minutes and forget them when the Music start .


Edited by Sorrodje - 8/14/14 at 7:05am
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Sorrodje,

Did you get yours with the TKD volume potentiometer? What's your thought on it? Also, how long did it take for you to receive yours?
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Hi guys, has anyone tried the Siltech Dutchess Crown HD800 cable? Can you please let me know how's your feeling for this cable? How's it compare with the Cardas Clear? :)

 

Thanks~

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