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Just seein if this one will stay here......  
The thread? There seems to be a lot of controversy about the HD800, then again the price is on the extreme side. I paid $1400 plus tax for mine, if it weren't for their imaging and detail I could've avoided spending that much with an HE-560.

I feel they're worth more like $1200, then again the Stax 007 are priced at $2000 and if I remember correctly I've heard comparisons between the two... I bet the Stax is better at detail though.

Also there always seems to be lots of arguing over equipment that is neutral. Neutrality is measurable, and differences in hearing are mostly just some spikes causing sibilance for some people or slight preferences small frequency ranges. Some people just don't like neutral equipment and that's not a bad thing, I personally like a bit of bass emphasis... and there's nothing wrong with that. I will continue to love my HE-400's even with the HD800's in the house, maybe even using them just as often. I think I'll use mostly the HD800's for high quality recordings. Ear and head shape/size are serious factors though. That's probably the reason why headphones are often perceived as different, I believe. In speakers most people agree on neutral... but with headphones it mostly seems to be argued over. That might just be the nature of head-fi though, no offence to anyone here... there's just a lot of different people with different audio goals in mind.
Edited by ToddTheMetalGod - 8/8/14 at 7:52pm
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Just got a HD700 and comparing it to the HD800, I'm rather impressed. 

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Just got a HD700 and comparing it to the HD800, I'm rather impressed. 

 

Would you mind posting your take on how the two compares? Cheers.

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Off the V200 and M-DAC, here is my opinion on the HD800 vs the HD700. 

 

 

 

The HD700 has more bass that punches harder but is still surprisingly fast and detailed. Mid-bass on the HD800 is not as heavy but it is cleaner and more detailed. The sub-bass is better on the HD800, it is cleaner and clearer. I do not find the HD800 bass light, it is very neutral and the HD700 are a little on the bassy side. I can see some people liking the HD700 bass more. 

 

The midrange of the HD700 is quite neutral and perhaps leans a little to the warm side. The HD800 mids are also very neutral, but IMO they are just a hair bright, which makes them very clear and detailed. The HD700 isn't like that and is much less analytical, they are both equally enjoyable, but being the detail lover I am, the HD800 is still the winner here, but it is quite competitiveness. 

 

Some people say the treble of the HD800 is overly bright, but IMO it is not. I have one of the latest pairs and the 6K spike is still there, but much less noticeable. The HD700 is bright, a fair bit brighter than the HD800. There is a little sibilance on the HD700 but I don't get bothered by it much. The HD800 is still more detailed and the treble is actually the best I have heard in any headphone I have tried. 

 

Soundstaging and imaging is no match. The HD800 is better period. There is no argument, the HD800 is simply king here. Imaging is more precise, on the HD800, but the HD700 was actually surprisingly good and not too far behind. The soundstage, however, is not that great on the HD700 and I was a bit disappointed here. 

 

The HD800 also is more detailed and has better separation as well as clarity. The HD700 is no slouch though, and it does impressively. 

 

I did not expect to like the HD700s so much, from all the negative reviews. I remember reading the flagship headphones review a while ago and saw the HD700 ranked behind the 600 and 650 and completely overlooked it. I have owned the HD600 twice and listened to the HD650 many times and I can confidently say the HD700 is much better. For me, they are not even close. They are a little better than the HE-500 IMO. I would say go and listen to them yourself before judging these, they are actually very nice, I think I will keep them (I try and a lot of stuff and sell it on), which is quite impressive. They are a great complement to the HD800 or the LCD series if you need a fun headphone that you can just enjoy the music on. 


Edited by lin0003 - 8/8/14 at 9:07pm
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Originally Posted by lin0003 View Post
 

Off the V200 and M-DAC, here is my opinion on the HD800 vs the HD700. 

 

The HD700 has more bass that punches harder but is still surprisingly fast and detailed. Mid-bass on the HD800 is not as heavy but it is cleaner and more detailed. The sub-bass is better on the HD800, it is cleaner and clearer. I do not find the HD800 bass light, it is very neutral and the HD700 are a little on the bassy side. I can see some people liking the HD700 bass more. 

 

The midrange of the HD700 is quite neutral and perhaps leans a little to the warm side. The HD800 mids are also very neutral, but IMO they are just a hair bright, which makes them very clear and detailed. The HD700 isn't like that and is much less analytical, they are both equally enjoyable, but being the detail lover I am, the HD800 is still the winner here, but it is quite competitiveness. 

 

Some people say the treble of the HD800 is overly bright, but IMO it is not. I have one of the latest pairs and the 6K spike is still there, but much less noticeable. The HD700 is bright, a fair bit brighter than the HD800. There is a little sibilance on the HD700 but I don't get bothered by it much. The HD800 is still more detailed and the treble is actually the best I have heard in any headphone I have tried. 

 

Soundstaging and imaging is no match. The HD800 is better period. There is no argument, the HD800 is simply king here. Imaging is more precise, on the HD800, but the HD700 was actually surprisingly good and not too far behind. The soundstage, however, is not that great on the HD700 and I was a bit disappointed here. 

 

The HD800 also is more detailed and has better separation as well as clarity. The HD700 is no slouch though, and it does impressively. 

 

I did not expect to like the HD700s so much, from all the negative reviews. I remember reading the flagship headphones review a while ago and saw the HD700 ranked behind the 600 and 650 and completely overlooked it. I have owned the HD600 twice and listened to the HD650 many times and I can confidently say the HD700 is much better. For me, they are not even close. They are a little better than the HE-500 IMO. I would say go and listen to them yourself before judging these, they are actually very nice, I think I will keep them (I try and a lot of stuff and sell it on), which is quite impressive. They are a great complement to the HD800 or the LCD series if you need a fun headphone that you can just enjoy the music on. 

Great post. You should re-post this in the HD700 thread; I bet the folks over there would really appreciate this.  

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Off the V200 and M-DAC, here is my opinion on the HD800 vs the HD700. 

 

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The HD700 has more bass that punches harder but is still surprisingly fast and detailed. Mid-bass on the HD800 is not as heavy but it is cleaner and more detailed. The sub-bass is better on the HD800, it is cleaner and clearer. I do not find the HD800 bass light, it is very neutral and the HD700 are a little on the bassy side. I can see some people liking the HD700 bass more. 

 

The midrange of the HD700 is quite neutral and perhaps leans a little to the warm side. The HD800 mids are also very neutral, but IMO they are just a hair bright, which makes them very clear and detailed. The HD700 isn't like that and is much less analytical, they are both equally enjoyable, but being the detail lover I am, the HD800 is still the winner here, but it is quite competitiveness. 

 

Some people say the treble of the HD800 is overly bright, but IMO it is not. I have one of the latest pairs and the 6K spike is still there, but much less noticeable. The HD700 is bright, a fair bit brighter than the HD800. There is a little sibilance on the HD700 but I don't get bothered by it much. The HD800 is still more detailed and the treble is actually the best I have heard in any headphone I have tried. 

 

Soundstaging and imaging is no match. The HD800 is better period. There is no argument, the HD800 is simply king here. Imaging is more precise, on the HD800, but the HD700 was actually surprisingly good and not too far behind. The soundstage, however, is not that great on the HD700 and I was a bit disappointed here. 

 

The HD800 also is more detailed and has better separation as well as clarity. The HD700 is no slouch though, and it does impressively. 

 

I did not expect to like the HD700s so much, from all the negative reviews. I remember reading the flagship headphones review a while ago and saw the HD700 ranked behind the 600 and 650 and completely overlooked it. I have owned the HD600 twice and listened to the HD650 many times and I can confidently say the HD700 is much better. For me, they are not even close. They are a little better than the HE-500 IMO. I would say go and listen to them yourself before judging these, they are actually very nice, I think I will keep them (I try and a lot of stuff and sell it on), which is quite impressive. They are a great complement to the HD800 or the LCD series if you need a fun headphone that you can just enjoy the music on. 

 

 

Thanks for the insight mate, I guess I may like the HD700! I like the sound of Audezes very much, but the comfort factor is a total deal breaker for me. If the HD700 is close to the comfort of the HD800, then I can't overlook this can. 

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Great post. You should re-post this in the HD700 thread; I bet the folks over there would really appreciate this.  

Cheers. 

 

Done. 

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Thanks for the insight mate, I guess I may like the HD700! I like the sound of Audezes very much, but the comfort factor is a total deal breaker for me. If the HD700 is close to the comfort of the HD800, then I can't overlook this can. 

The HD700 is *almost* as good as the HD800. The HD800 disappears on your head and the HD700 almost does that, but doesn't quite do it as well as the HD800. They are one of the most comfortable headphones I've worn. 

 

The 700s are like Sennheiser/Grado hybrids but leaning more to the Senn side. 

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^^^^

 

Lol :)

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I dunno...the hd700 treble has given me a headache within 15 minutes of putting them on every time I've tried them.
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That's true, it's definitely the best headphone setup I will have heard. My speakers image fairly well, but the HD800 should beat them (obviously speakers and headphones have vastly different soundstage though). If I had a chance to use my speakers more often though, a pair of Totem Rainmaker might give the HD800 a run for it's money... my Emotiva is certainly better than my O2 tongue.gif.

Dude, If you want speakers giving you some of the details you get from HD800 you should avoid passive speakers.
Only good active speakers can compeer with headphones, even though it's not quite fair comparing them.
And the best part is a good active speakers is often a lot cheaper than those old crap passive speakers the hifi industry try to trick you to buy.
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Consequently I wonder whether an alternate flagship headphone might suit me better. I hope that (with the background of my personal preferences and personal experience of the HD800) I find the Audeze sound signature 'good enough' for me to let go of the Senn's technical perfection!

 

yan

 

Seems like your situation is similar to this guy - http://www.marco.org/2014/07/12/ridiculous-headphones-pile-of-schiit - you might get some value out of reading his opinion. He opted for the TH900 instead of the LCDs.

 

@marcoarment is here on the forums. He makes a good point I reckon, but I do wish he had listed the music he likes, as I reckon that makes the most difference when choosing headphones.

 

A lot of impressions of the HD-800s with different gear not only comes down to the music, but what one is used to and has experienced.

 

Best value so far though has been the HD-800s from the Geek Out and from the Valhalla 2.

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@marcoarment is here on the forums. He makes a good point I reckon, but I do wish he had listed the music he likes, as I reckon that makes the most difference when choosing headphones.

 

A lot of impressions of the HD-800s with different gear not only comes down to the music, but what one is used to and has experienced.

 

Best value so far though has been the HD-800s from the Geek Out and from the Valhalla 2.

 

You don't include the Vali under "best value" category? Seems to be everyones favorite budget choice. I owned the Vali once but not since I've owned the hd800. Just curious. 

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@marcoarment is here on the forums. He makes a good point I reckon, but I do wish he had listed the music he likes, as I reckon that makes the most difference when choosing headphones.

 

A lot of impressions of the HD-800s with different gear not only comes down to the music, but what one is used to and has experienced.

 

Best value so far though has been the HD-800s from the Geek Out and from the Valhalla 2.

 

You don't include the Vali under "best value" category? Seems to be everyones favorite budget choice. I owned the Vali once but not since I've owned the hd800. Just curious. 

 

I've never had one here! The Valhalla 2 is the first Schiit product (ahem!) I've had in my possession, ever.

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