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post #12751 of 13998

Agree with a perhaps moderated post that the HD-800 in it's stock form is sort of bright-ish and analytical. Dunno about the uber-transparency qualities of the GSX2. I though it was a little analytical, but I would have to try some more cans with it to determine that. Some others might have already done that though, and don't think other amps I listened the HD-800s with made it so painful.


Edited by ultrabike - 8/7/14 at 10:17am
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I never said the MSB Analog sounds lush. It does not. The MSB Analog is probably the most tonally correct DAC I have heard. It does sound smooth and liquid with a lack of grain. This is what I mean by "analog". That through the GSX2 and HD800, the MSB sounded more like a SABRE DAC than an MSB Analog DAC. I hope that clarifies things.

 

I don't feel the GSX2 is all that ruthlessly revealing. There are many other amps more revealing of microdetail. The Krell Klone for instance was more revealing. The 4-45 is more revealing of microdetail. I also don't feel the GSX2 is as "transparent" as people claim. The treble behavior tends toward etchy and splashy regardless of headphone. This is an obvious coloration. The HD800 just makes it more evident. Dry and sterile is also a coloration.

 

But yes, it's no shocker a face tweeter does not mate well with the GSX2 and I don't know why so many people have their panties in a bunch about it.


Edited by purrin - 8/7/14 at 9:56am
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All planar users after 3 months:

 

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I wonder why my neck was weak for audezes, :) looks like I have a long very long way to go .

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omg that pic is just horrible... What a ghastly looking man! :biggrin: 

 

 

Anyhow, there's been some really great reading these last 100 or so posts! I wonder if any of the more prolific head-fiers believe that impedance matching matters with the HD800. 120ohm clearly fills them out and can be pleasing to some. Some find it hard to find synergy with next to zero ohm output amps unless they use mods on the hp itself... Just wondering if ss amps that have an impedance output a little higher are better suited. I think the M-stage does and this seems to please quite a few of us. My experience is that they work better with higher impedance. (obviously this not the only factor involved with good amps but I think it is an important one.)

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All planar users after 3 months:

 

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THANK YOU!   I was about to ask you SennHeads how to get these new LCD3s off my head and get back to my trusty 800.   OTOH, it's only been a week.  Maybe I'll keep 'em on another 2 months.

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omg that pic is just horrible... What a ghastly looking man! biggrin.gif  


Anyhow, there's been some really great reading these last 100 or so posts! I wonder if any of the more prolific head-fiers believe that impedance matching matters with the HD800. 120ohm clearly fills them out and can be pleasing to some. Some find it hard to find synergy with next to zero ohm output amps unless they use mods on the hp itself... Just wondering if ss amps that have an impedance output a little higher are better suited. I think the M-stage does and this seems to please quite a few of us. My experience is that they work better with higher impedance. (obviously this not the only factor involved with good amps but I think it is an important one.)
M-Stage has either 5 or 10 ohm output depending on which spec sheet you read. Relatively low, not enough to significantly change the sound.
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A touch. 2 to 12 ohms seems to do the trick. 120 changes the sound too much. But I have to admit I like the 50 to 120 ohm range at times.
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M-Stage has either 5 or 10 ohm output depending on which spec sheet you read. Relatively low, not enough to significantly change the sound.

Low yes but it may be a subtlety that is a deal breaker... You know how finicky we are!

 

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A touch. 2 to 12 ohms seems to do the trick. 120 changes the sound too much. But I have to admit I like the 50 to 120 ohm range at times.

Thanks thats really helpful :) I think it was Magickman that had his vintage 3020 NAD measured and it was giving out approx 5 ohms. This seems really odd for 1979!   

post #12759 of 13998

A lot of people like to pair the HD800 with tube amps that are 150-300 ohms output impedance, and that isnt a constant number, and pair that with the HD800s very non-linear Impedance vs Frequency chart, you get a different headphone

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I wonder why my neck was weak for audezes, :) looks like I have a long very long way to go .

Christmas at most.:D

 

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omg that pic is just horrible... What a ghastly looking man! :biggrin: 

 

 

Anyhow, there's been some really great reading these last 100 or so posts! I wonder if any of the more prolific head-fiers believe that impedance matching matters with the HD800. 120ohm clearly fills them out and can be pleasing to some. Some find it hard to find synergy with next to zero ohm output amps unless they use mods on the hp itself... Just wondering if ss amps that have an impedance output a little higher are better suited. I think the M-stage does and this seems to please quite a few of us. My experience is that they work better with higher impedance. (obviously this not the only factor involved with good amps but I think it is an important one.)

 

That's Brock Lesnar. He trains with HE-6's primarily as a portable. He carries speakers amps, DACs, and power supplies with him everywhere.

 

Regarding impedance output, I'm not sure that it's best to group amps and select them based on just their impedance outputs - goes for both headphone and speaker amps IME. The first thing that comes to mind is how dead sounding and bright the O2 sounded with it's less than 1 ohm impedance with pretty much every headphone I've tried it with. Take my DM Source output or other headphone jacks of headphone outputs on some studio gear that also have a very low impedance output and the difference is quite opposite. Neutral but without any of the flaws - except for hard to drive HE6 and planars.

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THANK YOU!   I was about to ask you SennHeads how to get these new LCD3s off my head and get back to my trusty 800.   OTOH, it's only been a week.  Maybe I'll keep 'em on another 2 months.

Pull the headband apart on the LCD-3 starting from the middle and work outwards from there. Keep doing it for a week or until it is permanent. After that, throw a Beyer foam headband add-on and it will make a world of difference.

post #12762 of 13998

Also to support Lugbug's 120 ohm claims, there's also evidence of it being implemented. http://www.antelopeaudio.com/en/products/Zodiac-Gold-DAC

 

Click the features tab to read more -> you can dial in the impedance output anywhere up to 120 ohm. So I definitely do understand what you are saying. Although have found great results with all type of impedance outputs. Best to probably listen via own audition.

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I might have to buy a vali myself. 

Figured you tried one by now. Excellent HD800 amp in the <$1000 territory. A no brainer at it's price.

-Daniel
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What are the benefits of an expensive amp with HD800?

Let's say i get the Vali, and i am never getting a 1000$ amp, what am i going to miss out?

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What are the benefits of an expensive amp with HD800?
Let's say i get the Vali, and i am never getting a 1000$ amp, what am i going to miss out?

Not sure about the Vali but nothing is missing using O2 and that's cheap as chips. If anything the O2 is a bit more revealing than my HDVD800 balanced . Price has nothing to do with the quality of sound from an amplifier unless you know which one is more expensive. In which case the more expensive one sounds better. That's just the way it is wink.gif
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