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Originally Posted by screwdriver View Post
 

i have tungsol 6sn7 roundplates .pope 6v6 , mullard Ob2 and phillips 5R4GYS  on the alo S6 - but i have to balance this out with the decware csp3 preamp with 6n1p- cryoset , tungsram 6922 and the mullard GZ37

 

the decware csp3 with the alo studio six combined together is like alo studio six on steriods 


Mmm really I have not heard the declare, must see if I can. I am running RCA 6SN7 Black Base (Red Base on its way) Bendix 6V6's, Mullard OB2's and Mullard 5AR4, trying to find a metal base for reasonable $, might take a while I think, I see some going for $800US on eBay

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Not to start a complete sh!tstorm, but I think it is kind of hard to take ALO seriously these days given:

 

1) The serious criticisms that have been aimed at the Studio Six by venerated EE's like Dr. Gilmore and Spritzer and to a lesser extent, and much more gently worded, Doug at ECP, among many others.  Most of this discussion has taken place elsewhere, and links to that site are not permitted, but the long and the short of it is that the circuit has been reverse engineered, and I have yet to see any engineer come forward to challenge the criticisms and say: no really, this is a great design with a solid psu, using quality components.  Having defected to the humanities half way through college, I lack the expertise to weigh in on these judgments, but I do think it is a shame that so much information is available elsewhere and can't seem to make it to/remain available on this site which probably has the most consumer influence on headphone related purchases.  

 

2) Various cable MOT's have candidly discussed, in a head-fi thread which still exists, how ALO was selling (maybe still is?) pricey hd800 cables that used wires which are  physically too large to connect to the barrel connectors at the cups.  Seriously? 

 

3) We lost Uncle Eric (http://www.head-fi.org/t/602236/uncle-eric-o-brother-where-art-thou), who was one of head-fi's absolute best posters, IMO, after he was absolutely lambasted in an ALO related thread for raising the very valid point that ALO was marketing a portable "tube amp" that was, in fact, a hybrid.  Reading his explanation was like a free education in amp design.  Nonetheless, he was subjected to ruthless flaming and ultimately departed from head-fi.  I didn't know the guy, but I sure miss reading his humorous, articulate and highly informed posts.

 

I have no skin in this game whatsoever, and if any of the above is incorrect or inaccurate - I'd welcome corrections.  But based on my present info and understanding, caveat emptor and all that jazz...

post #12438 of 14785
Does it really matter when almost every Studio Six owner loves it's sound?

Fwiw Spritzer also bashed the Zana Deux design-one of the most loved amps around.

I do agree Uncle Erik had some truly insightful posts here, if he really left that is unfortunate. He had the best write up on the ZD I have found, which really explained it's unique topology in an understandable way, without blasting it's unorthodox design like certain armchair engineers around here.

-Daniel
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I am off to demo a pair of HD800's today, won't be hauling the Studio Six to the store, will try them with the Hugo & take my LCD-X's for comparison, hopefully can score a home audition

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I got the Benchmark DAC2 D, and the headphone out is too bright with HD800.  But, boy is it accurate, I have never heard such accuracy with my CIEM.  It's outputting stuff I have not heard with Hugo which I thought was highly resolving.  It outputs subtleties that Hugo failed to output.  Rediculous.


Edited by SilverEars - 7/30/14 at 6:03pm
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Congrats, it's my dream DAC!
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Congrats, it's my dream DAC!

Thing is amazing.  I would say it's the most accurate I've ever heard.  Ok, it's bright and bass is lacking out of headphone jack.  But, man is it accurate, Eva Cassity's vocals sound so different.  It's like I'm hearing hear voice as it was recorded, if you guys can understand what I mean.  She sounds different.  To me, it's the most transparent or true to recording I've heard.  I hear so much more!!  It may not be for those folks that's looking for musical sounds as it's much too accurate. It's much suited for monitoring for some for this reason.  My goal is most accurate sound, so I'm ok with it.  I want to hear everything and this DAC is really outputting everything there is IMO.  Although Hugo sounds to be resolving, I didn't think it sounded accurate.


Edited by SilverEars - 7/30/14 at 7:09pm
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^ awesome DAC.  I tried it and liked it a lot.  That DAC + a good tube amp + HD800 = sonic heaven.  Hint Hint Hint....:D 

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

^ awesome DAC.  I tried it and liked it a lot.  That DAC + a good tube amp + HD800 = sonic heaven.  Hint Hint Hint....:D 

Yeah, yeah. Tubes. It does need something to tame the harshness.  It's harsh, yes and it's accurate.  Is that the trade off? With the 800, I have to put up with some harshness to get the accuracy. Anyway, it's like I'm recognizing Eva Cassidy's voice now.  I'm like, oh that's how she sounds like.  :D  D2 was dry, and it gives you a perception of more details which the DAC2 isn't.  Not as dry as D2, but when I hear Eva's voice, I feel like I'm hearing hear real voice because everything is there.  


Edited by SilverEars - 7/30/14 at 7:19pm
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Judging by how much I'm loving the Benchmark DAC1, I guess the DAC2 would be a spot-on to my taste. Great, another piece of gear to add to my wishlist, when will it end?

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If I have to describe DAC2 in one word,  it would be "clean".   Some people think it's cold, I don't.

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

If I have to describe DAC2 in one word,  it would be "clean".   Some people think it's cold, I don't.

I actually thought iems could not get close to cans in terms of realism, I was wrong.  DAC2 makes the iems sound as good as the cans.   If iems can pick up such accuracy, this tells you alot.  Also, I notice DAC2 can reveal which tracks are just even more accurate out of even the best of the tracks.  It makes me think the the better the DAC, more you can decern difference between even the best recordings.  I picked out several recordings that were outputting much more nuances that I haven't heard before than others, and it makes me think those recordings were done much better in terms of accuracy.  

 

I think for testing sources, HD800 is good to have.  And for testing headphones the DAC2 is good to have. For testing out recordings, the DAC2.  The two are good at revealing audio performance.


Edited by SilverEars - 7/30/14 at 8:11pm
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Said it before and will say it again: DAC2>>>Fosgate Signature>>HD800 is the best thing I have heard to date. The Fosgate gives that bit of warmth need while still keeping the sound crisp and detailed.

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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 

Said it before and will say it again: DAC2>>>Fosgate Signature>>HD800 is the best thing I have heard to date. The Fosgate gives that bit of warmth need while still keeping the sound crisp and detailed.

 

I would love to hear that setup. Maybe one day at a meet. The best (reasonably attainable) setup that I've heard is hd800, gs-x mkii, and NAD m51. Just got a a big ole crush on that setup. 

post #12450 of 14785

Guys:

 

I highly recommend the Peachtree Audio - DAC iTx and the Schiit Vali for folks on a restrictive budget. After a little haggling, I acquired this modest setup for about $369.00 USD. This amp/dac combo has amazing synergy with the HD800. The Vali, in particular, is an amazing value, and I have no compunction in crowning this little guy the new king of budget headphone amps (at least in the context of driving the HD800). Yes, the Vali, imho, is better than even the Matrix M Stage, the previous king of budget amps (again in the context of driving the HD800.) I’ve auditioned the HD800 on some expensive rigs, and though I don’t trust my aural memory a lick, I’m inclined to say, this combo (though far from perfect) competes with some of the bigger boys. So, if you’re on a budget, don’t fret! Nowadays, you have some really impressive options. 


Edited by Madmollusk - 7/31/14 at 7:48am
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